The star of Betleham and bible prophecy

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Blain

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So for those who didn't know the star of David aka the star of bethleham will be visible to the naked eye on the 21st, from what I understand this has not happened in 800 years except four hundred years ago it was technically visible but was so close to the sun that we couldn't see it.

Some of you may have seen that I have spoken how this star appeared to signal the birth of Jesus as people were waiting for a savior and how only three wise men out of the entire world knew the sign to look for for his coming. This star happens to be a day after my birthday and for those who don't know I study biblical numerology as numbers appear all over scripture and it appears as if God uses numbers as a kind of coded language..
But before I go any further I will say yes this is a pretrib rapture view from my understanding and it may very well be something of a prewrath one and I am aware there may be great disagreements but I fell these things are important to take into account
So from my understanding the number 20 represents open heaven and sight many including me in this year alone have recieved deep insight and experienced things on an entirely different level than before many have also had to go through spiritual storms and warfare unlike anytyhing than before and many have sensed in their spirit the nearness of his coming and also of great devistation coming on the horizon.

The number 21 represents from my understanding God dealing with the rebelion and sin of man I am sure I still have much more to understand about these numbers but to put it simply this doesn't seem to be a coincidence the fact this star is appearing on the 21st in 800 years doesn't appear to be one either as I don't even believe in coincidence or accidents

When this star appear above Bethlehem it signaled the savior of the world coming and bible prophecy often foreshadows itself out of the entire world only a small elect knew the sign to watch for and recognized it.

This made me wonder what if that is exactly what is happening now what if this star is once again signaling the coming of the king and among the entire world only a few of us will recognize it as the sign to look for, in mathew 24 it does speak to look for the sign of the son of man and if there was ever a sign of him this star feels like a kind of no duh moment to me
of course I haven't done enough research on this to have any real concrete evidence but for those who do believe in a pretrib rapture I want to know what you think and for those opposing I understand you have your quarrels I understand also this will likely stirr the pot which I am normally very against but I also think this is a discussion worth doing all I ask is to remain respectful towards each other
 
Kavik

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Well, it's not a star; it's two planets in a grand conjunction - even though they'll be virtually right on top of each other (i.e. less than 1 degree apart to the naked eye), their conjunction will not be as bright as Venus is in the early morning sky.

I think many people are expecting this dazzling object; it won't be. You can see the two planets now in the night sky; they're pretty close to one another low on the horizon in the south-west. Imagine them right on top of each other and you'll get an idea of how bright the conjunction will be (i.e. not overly).

It's been sort of hyped up in the media as the 'Star of Bethlehem" - Jesus, however, was not born around the time of the Winter Solstice.

Considering the last time the conjunction was visible occurred in the 1200's, this will be a pretty cool and literally a once-in-a-lifetime event occurring on the old Yule (Winter Solstice), but not exactly the Star of Bethlehem.

Considering where I live, I'm going to be totally bummed if it's overcast and snowy.
 
Blain

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Kavik said:
Well, it's not a star; it's two planets in a grand conjunction - even though they'll be virtually right on top of each other (i.e. less than 1 degree apart to the naked eye), their conjunction will not be as bright as Venus is in the early morning sky.

I think many people are expecting this dazzling object; it won't be. You can see the two planets now in the night sky; they're pretty close to one another low on the horizon in the south-west. Imagine them right on top of each other and you'll get an idea of how bright the conjunction will be (i.e. not overly).

It's been sort of hyped up in the media as the 'Star of Bethlehem" - Jesus, however, was not born around the time of the Winter Solstice.

Considering the last time the conjunction was visible occurred in the 1200's, this will be a pretty cool and literally a once-in-a-lifetime event occurring on the old Yule (Winter Solstice), but not exactly the Star of Bethlehem.

Considering where I live, I'm going to be totally bummed if it's overcast and snowy.
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Yes it is two planets but is seen from our perspective as a star when this was seen at the birth of Jesus it was actually three celestial objects and they were in the constelation of leo, true enough it won't be this dazzling object but it will be brighter than venus
The point isn't how bright it will be or the fact it is actually two planets being so close you can't tell they are two seperate things the point that it makes is that it is still called the star of David or Bethlehem and has not been visible to the naked eye in 800 years

God actually wrote his plan of salvation in the stars for instance when Jesus was being born into mary's womb Jupiter the king planet was also in the virgin constelation womb and Herald wanted to kill Jesus out of jealousy if you didn't know the constelation draco is to the left of the virgin and also as for the three wisemen they had to track the star from a very far distance of about 1,00 miles at the very least it would take about four months to get there plus entering enemy territory as they themselves were actually not Jews

Aside from my nerding out the fact this star is appearing is a major prophetic sign those who study bible prophecy will likely understand the significance of this event sure we can dismiss it as no big deal but so did all those people when the flood was predicted and were not able to get on the ark
 
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Blain said:
So for those who didn't know the star of David aka the star of bethleham will be visible to the naked eye on the 21st, from what I understand this has not happened in 800 years except four hundred years ago it was technically visible but was so close to the sun that we couldn't see it.

Some of you may have seen that I have spoken how this star appeared to signal the birth of Jesus as people were waiting for a savior and how only three wise men out of the entire world knew the sign to look for for his coming. This star happens to be a day after my birthday and for those who don't know I study biblical numerology as numbers appear all over scripture and it appears as if God uses numbers as a kind of coded language..
But before I go any further I will say yes this is a pretrib rapture view from my understanding and it may very well be something of a prewrath one and I am aware there may be great disagreements but I fell these things are important to take into account
So from my understanding the number 20 represents open heaven and sight many including me in this year alone have recieved deep insight and experienced things on an entirely different level than before many have also had to go through spiritual storms and warfare unlike anytyhing than before and many have sensed in their spirit the nearness of his coming and also of great devistation coming on the horizon.

The number 21 represents from my understanding God dealing with the rebelion and sin of man I am sure I still have much more to understand about these numbers but to put it simply this doesn't seem to be a coincidence the fact this star is appearing on the 21st in 800 years doesn't appear to be one either as I don't even believe in coincidence or accidents

When this star appear above Bethlehem it signaled the savior of the world coming and bible prophecy often foreshadows itself out of the entire world only a small elect knew the sign to watch for and recognized it.

This made me wonder what if that is exactly what is happening now what if this star is once again signaling the coming of the king and among the entire world only a few of us will recognize it as the sign to look for, in mathew 24 it does speak to look for the sign of the son of man and if there was ever a sign of him this star feels like a kind of no duh moment to me
of course I haven't done enough research on this to have any real concrete evidence but for those who do believe in a pretrib rapture I want to know what you think and for those opposing I understand you have your quarrels I understand also this will likely stirr the pot which I am normally very against but I also think this is a discussion worth doing all I ask is to remain respectful towards each other
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I lean toward the star being an angel. As we know, stars are often angels in the Bible. The star stood over where the child was born.
 
Blain

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John146 said:
I lean toward the star being an angel. As we know, stars are often angels in the Bible. The star stood over where the child was born.
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True and also the planet mercury is known as the messenger planet and interestingly enough when mary was visited by an angel mercury at the time was right oin conjuction and virgo
 
Blain

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I ;learned all this from a sermon on youtube they used constelation software of some kind it's about an hour long but it was well worth the watch if anyone has the patience to watch it I can link it the video
 
Blik

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This conjunction happens every 20 years, it is just that the stars will be closer together this time so it shines much brighter. The same thing happened in BC 6.

If this is the star of Bethlehem, it showed that Christ was born when it happened before. I feel it is most probable that Christ will return on the day of the feast that celebrates His return. Christ was crucified at Passover and rose on first fruits, Pentecost happened on Shavuot or Feast of Weeks. If the Lord keeps to this pattern of the event happening on the day it is celebrated, then we don't know the year it will happen but we can know the day. In 2021 the date is September 7. In 2020 the date was September 19, long past.
 
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Blain said:
So for those who didn't know the star of David aka the star of bethleham will be visible to the naked eye on the 21st, from what I understand this has not happened in 800 years except four hundred years ago it was technically visible but was so close to the sun that we couldn't see it.

Some of you may have seen that I have spoken how this star appeared to signal the birth of Jesus as people were waiting for a savior and how only three wise men out of the entire world knew the sign to look for for his coming. This star happens to be a day after my birthday and for those who don't know I study biblical numerology as numbers appear all over scripture and it appears as if God uses numbers as a kind of coded language..
But before I go any further I will say yes this is a pretrib rapture view from my understanding and it may very well be something of a prewrath one and I am aware there may be great disagreements but I fell these things are important to take into account
So from my understanding the number 20 represents open heaven and sight many including me in this year alone have recieved deep insight and experienced things on an entirely different level than before many have also had to go through spiritual storms and warfare unlike anytyhing than before and many have sensed in their spirit the nearness of his coming and also of great devistation coming on the horizon.

The number 21 represents from my understanding God dealing with the rebelion and sin of man I am sure I still have much more to understand about these numbers but to put it simply this doesn't seem to be a coincidence the fact this star is appearing on the 21st in 800 years doesn't appear to be one either as I don't even believe in coincidence or accidents

When this star appear above Bethlehem it signaled the savior of the world coming and bible prophecy often foreshadows itself out of the entire world only a small elect knew the sign to watch for and recognized it.

This made me wonder what if that is exactly what is happening now what if this star is once again signaling the coming of the king and among the entire world only a few of us will recognize it as the sign to look for, in mathew 24 it does speak to look for the sign of the son of man and if there was ever a sign of him this star feels like a kind of no duh moment to me
of course I haven't done enough research on this to have any real concrete evidence but for those who do believe in a pretrib rapture I want to know what you think and for those opposing I understand you have your quarrels I understand also this will likely stirr the pot which I am normally very against but I also think this is a discussion worth doing all I ask is to remain respectful towards each other
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What indeed brother blain.....signs and wonders in the heavens, earthquakes, hurricanes, worldwide pandemic, gross unrest global, evil called good good evil, the gospel is hate, peace in the middle east.
Now stop being such a fanatic brother and get down from that wall. Who do you think you are a watchmen or something?😂😂😂😂😂

(You know I'm being sarcastic don't ya)....😆😆😆
 
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Is it given to the Church to look to the host of heaven for advice? Is not the signs in the heavenly host the basis for Nimrod's religion? And these two planets, who has named them the "Star of Bethlehem"?
 
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Blik said:
This conjunction happens every 20 years, it is just that the stars will be closer together this time so it shines much brighter. The same thing happened in BC 6.

If this is the star of Bethlehem, it showed that Christ was born when it happened before. I feel it is most probable that Christ will return on the day of the feast that celebrates His return. Christ was crucified at Passover and rose on first fruits, Pentecost happened on Shavuot or Feast of Weeks. If the Lord keeps to this pattern of the event happening on the day it is celebrated, then we don't know the year it will happen but we can know the day. In 2021 the date is September 7. In 2020 the date was September 19, long past.
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it happens every 20 years but not to the naked eye technically it did 400 years ago but was to close to the sun to be seen, I honestly couldn't say the day or hour and it makes sense to me that if he comes for us it would be at the feast of trumpets but we will have to see
 
Blain

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pottersclay said:
What indeed brother blain.....signs and wonders in the heavens, earthquakes, hurricanes, worldwide pandemic, gross unrest global, evil called good good evil, the gospel is hate, peace in the middle east.
Now stop being such a fanatic brother and get down from that wall. Who do you think you are a watchmen or something?😂😂😂😂😂

(You know I'm being sarcastic don't ya)....😆😆😆
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indeed all of this has been predicted and come and is coming to pass we were warned by Jesus to pay attention we were given the signs to watch for as to not be unprepared and it is a pattern all throughout the bible people are given a warning people are given signs and yet disregard them are caught unprepared and only those who are saved.
 
Blain

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Corban said:
Is it given to the Church to look to the host of heaven for advice? Is not the signs in the heavenly host the basis for Nimrod's religion? And these two planets, who has named them the "Star of Bethlehem"?
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Yes it is, do you recall as it is in heaven so shall it be on earth? the study of the heavenly bodies is not new the Jews did it the greeks did it and if you study them with the technology we have now you would be shocked to see how every event in the bible was already written in the stars
I don't know about you but I would rather be as the wise men and look to the heavens than to disregard it and be unprepared, satan corrupts everything God does and creates is it any wonder false religions would be produced from God's original creation?
We don't base the truth on false religions we base the truth of him, if God is the creator of all things and set the stars into place then would it not be clever of him to hide the truth in plain sight for those who had the wisdom to look up?
 
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Blain said:
Yes it is, do you recall as it is in heaven so shall it be on earth? the study of the heavenly bodies is not new the Jews did it the greeks did it and if you study them with the technology we have now you would be shocked to see how every event in the bible was already written in the stars
I don't know about you but I would rather be as the wise men and look to the heavens than to disregard it and be unprepared, satan corrupts everything God does and creates is it any wonder false religions would be produced from God's original creation?
We don't base the truth on false religions we base the truth of him, if God is the creator of all things and set the stars into place then would it not be clever of him to hide the truth in plain sight for those who had the wisdom to look up?
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No. I don't recall "as it is in heaven so shall it be on earth" in regard to prophecy. I recall, "Thy Kingdom COME, thy WILL be done on EARTH as it is in heaven". The study of the heavenly bodies was not mentioned in my posting, but I can tell you that it is utter rebellion to even name them. This is God's department (Ps.147:4). My question was, "Should the Church, who shall live by faith, be seeking advice from the host of heaven?" You might have missed it but,
  1. the star predicted by Baalam was called "His star" not the "star of Bethlehem"
  2. the star was predicted by a Gentile prophet
  3. the star was shown to Gentiles who seek their future by the constellation of stars
  4. the number of Magi was not given - just the number of gifts
But to save much back-and-forth, let us consider Jeremiah 8:2.

"And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth."
 
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Blain said:
Yes it is, do you recall as it is in heaven so shall it be on earth? the study of the heavenly bodies is not new the Jews did it the greeks did it and if you study them with the technology we have now you would be shocked to see how every event in the bible was already written in the stars
I don't know about you but I would rather be as the wise men and look to the heavens than to disregard it and be unprepared, satan corrupts everything God does and creates is it any wonder false religions would be produced from God's original creation?
We don't base the truth on false religions we base the truth of him, if God is the creator of all things and set the stars into place then would it not be clever of him to hide the truth in plain sight for those who had the wisdom to look up?
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What a great thread @Blain!

I've always believed the stars tell us many things......if we just knew how to read them as we know how to read a book in our native language.....we would know so much more than we know today....

I pray the Lord would raise up "wisemen that are astrologist" that can read the stars and tell us what the heavens are saying to the earth......:love:(y)
 
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an apparent closeness of a couple planets as viewed from earth can't account for the star leading the magi to Bethlehem.

After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen when it rose went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was.​
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a planetary conjunction doesn't do this. calling Jupiter & Saturn being slightly closer together one night than they have been a long time, 'the Bethlehem star' -- this is a secular attempt to explain away supernatural things in the scripture with some kind of natural event.

it may very well be that these wise men saw a natural alignment of things in the sky and understood it to be a signal that the king of the Jews was to be born, initially, but once they had journeyed to Israel to worship the incarnate Christ, it's hard to contrive a way for some aspect of the periodic motion of the planets to rise ahead of them and stop over the specific place where Mary & Joseph were.
 
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a conjunction of jupiter & saturn in the pisces constellation in either 7 or 6 BC is one of 4 major astronomical events people have historically put forth as a possible explanation for Matthew 2.

https://newsinfo.iu.edu/news/page/normal/1203.html

none of them match up with the right time -- all are a few years off -- but if there was some kind of signal that initially got the attention of the magi, it would have been probably at least 1 or 2 BC, maybe earlier, to give them time to plan and carry out their journey. astrological events even as late as 1 or 2 AD can't be correct; the timing of Christ's birth is dated more accurately than that. we know it's 2020 years from then, now, give or take maybe a month or two at most, and according to the age range Herod sought to kill, it must have been a couple years before the magi arrived, and no more than a couple years.

IMO ((and it's just speculation)) at least some of them came from China, so the 4th explanation, a supernova whose appearing is recorded in ancient Chinese records about 5 BC, is really the only one i find plausible at all -- it would take a couple years to plan and execute a trip to Jerusalem form China in those days, so the timing fits -- but still, a supernova doesn't explain Matthew 2:9. a supernova doesn't rise & stop over a certain barn in Bethlehem as seen from Herod's palace outside Jerusalem, and ((something the article in the link points out)) a supernova should have been noticed by everyone in Israel, not *just the magi* so it's a bit odd no one, absolutely no one, other than the magi, was following this sign in the sky. it makes you wonder if it wasn't something that God opened their eyes to, individually, that others couldn't see. like an angel, for example the one who stood in the way and Balaam's donkey could see, but Balaam couldn't.
 
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should have been noticed by everyone in Israel, not *just the magi* so it's a bit odd no one, absolutely no one, other than the magi, was following this sign in the sky
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You're making a good point here, whatever it was, even if it was a minor appearance in the sky that wasn't as noticeable to a non astrologer/astronomer, it makes sense that Herod would've hired, and did hire domestic magi, just to find the child. He spared no effort. Why would he trust some foreign magi and wait for them to inform him where the baby was? Some things here don't make sense.
 
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No one knows the day or the hour, Not even the Angels and they are heaps smarter then us.
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

We have been given signs to tell us it is close but the actual time has not been told.
 
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please don't set dates. People keep setting times for the Lord to come back and are constantly disappointed.
Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
 
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A few thoughts...

Matthew 2:11 And when they had come into the house [not the cave... begs the question, where and when was this?], they saw the young Child [a baby or a toddler?] with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him...

This conclusion matches their statement here:

Matthew 2:2 “Where is He who has been born [=> the Magi didn't arrive on the day of His birth...] King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East [suggesting that when the star appeared, they likely commenced the journey] and have come to worship Him.”
 
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