The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

This is wrong, this is a fatalistic view of theology, which is incorrect,

jesus died for all. Only the elect will be saved, because this is the will of God, that all who sees and believes will have eternal life

Prove it in the passage, show in the passage where Jesus tells nicodemus it is only his sheep.

otherwise, I will have to continue to believe as I always have,

More Calvinistic nonsense that has already been debunked. You will see that in Calvin's actual Bible commentaries, he had no choice except to confirm that Christ died for all mankind. But in spite of that he perverted the Gospel, And that is exactly what you are up to. This is called "another gospel" by Paul.

Sorry He died only for the elect, and only the elect shall be saved.

I dont know what Jesus told nicodemus off record, neither do you. But on record is the fact that Jesus specifically stated who He was to die for, the Sheep Jn 10:11,15. And they shall believe. Now if anyone doesnt ever believe, its because they were not of His Sheep which He clearly stated He died for Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

So quite naturally the believing ones in Jn 3 16 are His Sheep.

And also this thread is about those Christ died for , their Salvation is effected by His death. You know all wont be saved, unless you believe in the false teaching of universalism.

You want to call truth nonsense ?

New covenant. Same proof text as yours, Galatians 3:29. I'll add Ephesians as well:

Ephesians 2:12-17

That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

We are part of the New Covenant, it was made with Israel but by faith we are included. No covenant has ever been made with Gentiles outside of the one made with Noah, and every human is automatically part of that whether they want it or not, and its got nothing to do with salvation.

First, Galatians 3:29 does not say we are made partners in the New Covenant. It says that we are made heirs to the Covenant of PROMISE made 430 years before that of Law. This was not made with Israel, but Abraham and his SEED. There are three "seeds" promised to Abraham:

1. Christ (Gal.3:16)
2. Seed as the sand of the sea-shore - earthly - Israel
3. Seed as the stars of heaven - heavenly - the Church (Heb.3:1)

It pointedly says that we are seed NOT BY BEING Israelites, but by being Christ's. This refers to John 12:24 were we are the many seeds that came out of Christ by the New Birth. But by virtue of Christ being the Chief Seed of Abraham, we who are IN Him become eligible to inherit the world (Rom.4:13). Abraham was never ever an Israelite - but a Gentile - a Syrian.

Second, Ephesians 2 does not, at any time say that we become Israelites. It pointedly annuls this notion by the use of the word "COMMONWEALTH". A "Commonwealth" is not one nation. It is the enjoyment of common good for multiple nations under a sovereign or government. A New Zealander does not become a Brit because he is in the Commonwealth. But he is eligible for the privileges that come from Her Majesty. The "Common" - "wealth" of British Colonies does not make a Nigerian a Scot.

Third, there is not a single case of a believer becoming an Israelite. It would be impossible since the believer is a "New Creature" and old things have passed away (2nd Cor.5:17). This includes ethnicity (Gal.3:28; Col.3:11). Israel and the Church remain separate throughout the New Testament into all eternity. The Church are the walls of New Jerusalem while Israel are the Gates.

I disagree completely. Church and Israel will not be separate for eternity, God will have one people. One flock and one shepherd. This idea could be problematic when evangelizing Jews, as you are basically saying they are no longer israelites but the church? Or if they are still israelites, are they not the Church? hmm

In Genesis 1:2 we see that something happened to cause the earth to be in darkness and covered with water. Whatever happened is much discussed and not the subject here. But what is pertinent is that God cannot indefinitely suffer chaos. He is a God of order and a God of Restoration. You have given some good points above, but there are some more.

1. Our Lord Jesus died for the "sin" of the whole world (Jn.1:29). "Sin" (singular) is the serpentine nature that Adam was corrupted with and which he passed on to all other men (Rom.5:12), except Jesus. The "wages" of "sin" (singular) is death (Rom.5:17, 23). The death of Jesus allows god, judicially, to RESURRECT ALL MEN (whether saved or lost - 1st Cor.15:22)
2. Our Lord Jesus died for the "Sins" (plural) of the whole world (1st Jn.2:2). This gives God the judicial right to extend mercy to anyone He likes. It is on this basis that Israel can be forgiven and restored to their Land. This does not mean that the guilty will escape - as the Lake of Fire testifies of.
3. Our Lord Jesus' blood "speaks better things than that of Abel" (Heb.12:24). Abel's blood cries for justice, so God cursed the earth. Because Jesus' blood covers all sin and sins, God has the jucial right to restore the earth. This is partly applied in the Millennium, and fully applied in making the heavens and earth NEW in Revelation 21 and 22.
4. Three of the five main Offerings, the Burnt Offering, the Meal Offering and the Peace Offering do not deal with sin and sins. They deal with man's lack in his relationship to his Maker - Jehovah. Our Lord Jesus fulfilled them all and satisfied God for men (this needs a book to explain)
5. Every Covenant between God and man must be RATIFIED by blood because of sin and sins. The New Covenant, which will be made with Israel (in that day) when they are united and one Nation again (Jer.31:31-33; Ezek.37), was ratified by Christ's blood. That is why it is called, not only blood for the remission of sins, but "blood of the New Covenant".

More Calvinistic nonsense that has already been debunked. You will see that in Calvin's actual Bible commentaries, he had no choice except to confirm that Christ died for all mankind. But in spite of that he perverted the Gospel, And that is exactly what you are up to. This is called "another gospel" by Paul.

If the Lord Jesus has died for the sin of the whole world, as you suggest, then there are no guilty.

Forgiveness of sin is something a person must RECEIVE. And the only way to receive it is to come to Christ, and ask. And once someone comes to Christ and receives forgiveness they are eternally saved.


This is absolutely elementary Christianity.

He died for the whole world

salvation is offered to all

God will not force his salvation on anyone

A companion verse of Heb 10:10 which confirms the saving result of them Christ died for, namely His Sheep, its Heb 10:14

14 For by one offering[His death] he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Now who are the them that are sanctified ? Look again at Heb 10:10, and how were they sanctified ? Now these by that same means, Christs death are said to be perfected forever ! This includes their Justification before God, a complete cleansing of all the guilt of their sins. And that for ever ! 10

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God accomplishes his will among the inhabitants of the earth, and none can stay his hand. If he wanted all mankind to be in eternal heaven, then all mankind will be in heaven, therefore, Christ did not die for all mankind.