The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

People are not condemned because of personal sin, they are condemned because of unbelief

he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already

this is basic christianity

Satans lie is God does not love, he is selfish, he wants us all to bow to him and do his will as slaves

Gods answer is he loves so much he dies for everyone. But will not force that love on anyone, those who reject his love will remain dead in sin.

yet God is seen as victory, for he died even for them, as you said, we must receive, God will not force us to recieve his love,

never again will there be any doubt of Gods love

i hate to say it. But fatalistic thinking takes away from the part of the true unselfish unending love of God,

Does not John 6:39 say that of all that he hath given me I should not lose any, but raise them up at the last day?

[QUOTE="seed_time_harvest, post: 4447760, member: 111231"]HIS death made salvation possible for Everyone.Someone might ask,well why did HE have to die?

GOD loves righteousness and If JESUS had not paid the price For us then we would not be acceptable to a GOD who loves righteousness.Fulfilling the law perfectly was the only way man could've been just before GOD and because of the weakness of our flesh,no man would be able to be perfect In GODs sight.
It WAS about the law but now It's about faith.

John 3:16
King James Version

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

That would make him force people to bow to his will. Which would make him the God satan professed him to be

God not only has the right to love people and die for them, he has the right to allow them to die against his will.

he proved this with Israel, as he said, his will was to take them under his wing, but they were unwilling

God forces nothing

People are not condemned because of personal sin, they are condemned because of unbelief

Salvation=deliverance according to Greek. After we have been born again and commit a sin we separate=death ourselves from our fellowship with God, because God will not fellowship with sin. God is long suffering with his children , to come to repentance, when they have committed a sin. There is a deliverance (salvation) from the effects of sin, with God's forgiveness of the sin

This scripture has no reference to being delivered eternally.

If you reference all salvation scriptures to eternal salvation, they will promote eternal salvation by the good works of mankind. Not by God's sovereign grace.

With your theory that belief is necessary for eternal deliverance, how do you interpret 2 Tim 2:13?

Post 31, do you understand the point made ? Do you want to discuss it ?

What’s there to understand?

he has perfected forever those who are being sanctified, amen. Eternal life is eternal not conditional

but that is who is saved. Not who he died for.

He has a point, because Christs Blood washes away the guilt of sin. I just posted about that.

No, you did not earn your salvation. That is why I am telling you that the scriptures do not uphold the fact that your eternal deliverance comes as a result of your believing, accepting, repenting, confessing, good works, etc. All of these actions of mankind are a result of being born again.

God renamed Jacob to be no more called Jacob, but to be called Israel. Most all of the time that Israel is mentioned it is referring to Jacob as Israel, not the nation of Israel. Rom 9:6. Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel. Jacob is representative of God's elect, Rom 9:11. Jacob/Israel throughout their history were in and out of fellowship with God, and we are no different in this day and time.

People in the old testament and the new testament are all regenerated in the same manner, and that is with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, Isaiah 63:11.

It washes away the penalty of sin, not just the guilt, so he was partially correct

Does not John 6:39 say that of all that he hath given me I should not lose any, but raise them up at the last day?

But who is it that the scriptures say "will see"?

How do you interpret 2 Tim 2:13?

Thats a error I believe, His death made salvation sure. Thats what I proving with this thread.

Consult the Greek interpretation for "condemned". It means to punish, God chastens those that he loves. It does not mean to hell.

It would make discussing the scriptures with you more profitable, if you would give a scripture to back up your comments.

God chastens those that he loves when they sin, that does not mean that he sends them to hell. Jacob surname Israel are God's regenerated people, and in the old testament, he chastened them when they sinned, just as he does his regenerated children in this day and time.

EG



I disagree, people are condemned because the law condemns them for sin. If Christ didn't die for them, they are condemned, and unbelief is a symptom of it.

Lets read it and find out !

So then those Christ died for are saved by His death, thats the point of the thread.