The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

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brightfame52

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Duskey said:
That does not change anything with regards to 1 Timothy 2:4 ~~ God desires all men to be saved. There’s no dancing around that Biblically stated fact.
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And that particular all men will be saved as God desires. Have you not read Job 23:13

But he is in one mind, and who can turn him?
and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
You are taking the "all men" out of context. If God desires that all mankind to be saved eternally, then all mankind will be saved eternally, and we know that is contrary to the harmony of the scriptures.
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Free will, my man. Free will.
Nothing taken out of context.
 
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brightfame52 said:
And that particular all men will be saved as God desires. Have you not read Job 23:13

But he is in one mind, and who can turn him?
and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.
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What don’t you understand about, all men?
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
Some of the prophecies that you think are yet to be fulfilled, are already fulfilled, such as Christ's kingdom, which is his church, and was fulfilled in the apostles day. Christ has been reigning as king sense that day.
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You have a very low opinion of our Lord's Kingdom. The Gentiles rule with corruption. Democracy is rampant while not one government recognizes a Theocratic Monarchy. More than 40 wars are in progress. Poverty and sickness are rife. There is no justice in the various courts of law. Murder, rape and Sodomy, mixed with slavery and sex-traffic are rampant. The rich exploit the poor. And in the Church where our Lord IS King, the situation is totally apostate with corruption, injustice. love of the world, love of money, cults, false teachings and divisions, which the Lord said are a sign of "carnality", are rife. Whereas the Lord only recognizes ONE Church per city or town, in most western cities there are more than 200 different Churches.

Added to this, our Lord says at His trial that His Kingdom was not of this "arrangement of things" (kosmos) and nothing has changed in the world since then. Then, in Ephesians, written some 30 years after our Lord's death and Pentecost, the Holy Spirit writes that Satan is "prince of the power of the air" and that far from being subject, we must fight against him. In 96 AD five of seven Churches are apostate. Then, in Revelation 11 we have a sequence of events. The Beast reigns in Jerusalem (not yet fulfilled). Two Witnesses testify against him. They are slain, resurrected and Raptured. A Great earthquake rock the city. AND ONLY AFTER THIS does it say that the Kingdoms of this world have become the Kingdoms of our Lord Jesus.

As I said, you have a very poor opinion of the King. It is predicted that He would rule the Nations with a rod of iron. Where is that rod of iron? Most countries have dome away with the death penalty. They break the Covenant of Noah daily - and God does nothing. Where is that rod of iron. Has God failed?

The answer is, of course, that although the Church is the Kingdom of Christ, it is (i) still being built, (ii) told to submit to Gentile rulership, (iii) told not to fight with men, (iv) told to give away its goods, (v) turn the other cheek and (vi) told to submit to persecution. The Kingdom of the Church is in disarray and the Kingdom of God has not yet been set up on earth.
 
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Redeemed from the curse of the Law !

Those Christ died for are consequently saved, redeemed from the curse of the Law. Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Now it tells us specifically how these believers were redeemed from the curse of the Law. Succinctly stated "being made a curse for us:" This refers to His death, its the same as when he wrote to the Church at Corinthians these words "For he hath made him to be sin for us"

So anyone for whom Christ died, has been redeemed from the curse of the Law.

So when Jesus shall say to these Matt 25:41

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Its absolutely impossible any of these on left hand, can be anyone Christ was made sin or a curse for !29
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Yes

the us are those who have called on the name to be saved, those who have repented and come to faith.

telling us what we have does not prove what you are trying to say in the op.
 
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brightfame52 said:
Redeemed from the curse of the Law !

Those Christ died for are consequently saved, redeemed from the curse of the Law. Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Now it tells us specifically how these believers were redeemed from the curse of the Law. Succinctly stated "being made a curse for us:" This refers to His death, its the same as when he wrote to the Church at Corinthians these words "For he hath made him to be sin for us"

So anyone for whom Christ died, has been redeemed from the curse of the Law.

So when Jesus shall say to these Matt 25:41

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Its absolutely impossible any of these on left hand, can be anyone Christ was made sin or a curse for !29
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Matthew 25:41 passage is referring to the Tribulation. During that time, if a gentile wants to be saved, he will need to get it from Israel.

So if they refuse to feed and give shelter to the Israelites then, they will be departed into hell. There is precedence in the OT.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Yes

the us are those who have called on the name to be saved, those who have repented and come to faith.

telling us what we have does not prove what you are trying to say in the op.
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Thats not what the verse says. It says nothing about what the redeemed have done. According to the scripture text, how were they redeemed from the curse of the law ?
 
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Guojing said:
Matthew 25:41 passage is referring to the Tribulation. During that time, if a gentile wants to be saved, he will need to get it from Israel.

So if they refuse to feed and give shelter to the Israelites then, they will be departed into hell. There is precedence in the OT.
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Rabbit trail. How were they redeemed from the curse of the law in Gal 3:13 ?
 
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brightfame52 said:
The religion of man doesn't believe that the death of Christ alone results in the Eternal Salvation of all for whom Christ died, namely His Sheep Jn 10:11,15 or His Church Eph 5:25, or His People Matt 1:21.

His death for His people produces saving results Jn 12:32-33 23,24

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. 33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
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Jesus death did not save anyone .
 
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brightfame52 said:
Thats not what the verse says. It says nothing about what the redeemed have done. According to the scripture text, how were they redeemed from the curse of the law ?
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It says we

scripture says we are those who have been saved

scripture says we have been saved by grace through faith

so yes, scripture supports what I said.

my point was that passage you have says we, it does not say what made them a group of “we”. So using it to support your theory does not work, because it does not explain who we are, as you suggest
 
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brightfame52 said:
You still dont seem to understand
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I understand completely my friend, I grew up in a church that leaned you way, I know all about your arguments.

i suggest you stop telling people what they are doing and start to discuss the scripture. It makes you look like your a know it all. It does not help your case, it turns people off
 
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