The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

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throughfaith

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eternally-gratefull said:
They were just as saved as you and I are brother

using this argument to try to defeat calvinism is pointless
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I believe you could lose salvation in the OT ,just like it will be the case during the tribulation.Not so today .
 
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Not so . Today we recieve remission AND redemption immediately upon faith on Jesus. Thats what eternal security today is based on .
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Eternal security was given to all men of all ages from the begining of time
 
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throughfaith

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brightfame52 said:
Okay they were reconciled without faith then!
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God reconciled the world through Christ's atoning work . Thats the message of reconciliation we share. That everyone's sins have been dealt with and he died for them . But unless they RECEIVE the atonement they will not be glorified. Only those that RECEIVE Jesus benefit from the work on the cross. Calvinism teaches another message .
 
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throughfaith said:
I believe you could lose salvation in the OT ,just like it will be the case during the tribulation.Not so today .
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wow, that explains everything

so they were saved by works in the OT?
wow
 
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brightfame52 said:
Okay they were reconciled without faith then!
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Nope

No one is reconciled apart from faith, God will not force you to take his gift,

they are not reconciled due to unbelief
 
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throughfaith said:
Eternal security is based on being sealed by the Holy Spirit . Which was not given until Acts 2 .
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Eternal security is based on Gods promise

if it is by grace it is no longer works

if salvation can be lost it must be earned, that’s not grace
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
People are condemned because of lack of faith. How many times does this need shown

he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already because they have not believed

they are not condemned for sin, as Jesus said, all manner of sin will be forgiven men.
at the great white throne judgment, the law is not brought out and people judged for sin, they are judged because they did not believe

no one will be condemned by the law. Like the high priest on the day of atonement made reparation for all of Israel, including the unbelievers, Jesus made reparations for all mankind

the deciding factor on who actually recieves this salvation is based again on John 1, 3 and so many other passages, on those who believe, just like abraham believed and he was justified based on his faith
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False, People Christ died for were reconciled to God while enemies and unbelievers Rom 5:10
 
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