Is the law a blessing or a curse?

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echoChrist

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ewq1938 said:
You are the one teaching to keep the old law. You need to take a beginners course in Christianity and learn about the new covenant from a Christian perspective rather than mixing Judaism into it.
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ewq1938 said:
You are the one teaching to keep the old law. You need to take a beginners course in Christianity and learn about the new covenant from a Christian perspective rather than mixing Judaism into it.
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You need to learn the difference between ritual ordinances which is the only law done away with and God's Holy commandments what did Jesus say if you love me keep my commandments but you are adamant about teaching contrary. I don't know where you received your false doctrine but I ain't buying it.
 
ewq1938

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echoChrist said:
You need to learn the difference between ritual ordinances which is the only law done away with and God's Holy commandments what did Jesus say if you love me keep my commandments but you are adamant about teaching contrary. I don't know where you received your false doctrine but I ain't buying it.
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Yours is the false doctrine. Mine is the normal, standard Christianity found in most Christian churches. They teach the old law was nailed to the cross and so does the bible.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
 
echoChrist

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ewq1938 said:
Yours is the false doctrine. Mine is the normal, standard Christianity found in most Christian churches. They teach the old law was nailed to the cross and so does the bible.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
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And the fall is real.
 
echoChrist

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ewq1938 said:
Yours is the false doctrine. Mine is the normal, standard Christianity found in most Christian churches. They teach the old law was nailed to the cross and so does the bible.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
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Just say Amen to all I said it's so whether you do or not.
 
posthuman

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Blik said:
Do any of the Christians here see the law as a blessing and not a curse? The 119th Psalm says it is a blessing, do you agree?

Here are some of my thoughts about what scripture tells us about the law:

There are many posts speaking against the law, but both our secular and spiritual life is governed by law.

We accept the secular law as good, yet there is no forgiveness for disobeying those laws, and there is forgiveness for disobeying the laws given us by the Lord. Yet even those who live a life forgiven by the lord and made righteous through Him complain and bring out that the laws are a curse because unforgiven disobedience has a curse of death.

The spiritual laws need to be obeyed through the heart, and not through legalism. Some Christians believe the Lord cancelled all the law He gave us because of this. They say the law is only a schoolmaster, and we do not need it any more. Do you think this?
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it is testimony of Christ, therefore it is a blessing, & it's wise, not foolish, to seek understanding, and to take instruction to heart.

we know we are not saved through the law and are not under it. and because of that, a lot of preachers do not preach from or study the OT at all -- which is wrong of them. everything in the OT is coupled to things in the NT, and all of it is there to teach us about Christ. the gospel is all over the law, on every page. it's all over the prophets and the records of the Kings and Judges. not being under it isn't a reason to ignore it -- in fact because we are not under it, we ought to be all that much more curious about why God preserved it for us to read, rather than dismissing it as 'irrelevant'
 
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echoChrist said:
You need to learn the difference between ritual ordinances which is the only law done away with and God's Holy commandments what did Jesus say if you love me keep my commandments but you are adamant about teaching contrary. I don't know where you received your false doctrine but I ain't buying it.
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friend the way the law was 'done away with' with regard to those who believe ((use whatever terminology you prefer)), is that the one who is in Christ has died with Him. see Romans 6, 7 & 8.

the law has no power over anyone who has died. whoever has died is free from sin and from the authority of the law, which is the pwoer of sin.

having died doesn't make you 'only free from ritual ordinances'
having died makes you free from all of it. corpses can't be prosecuted for theft any more than they can be prosecuted for failing to bring a grain offering on the appointed day.

the sacrifices and the feasts and rites are every bit 'God's Holy commandments' just as much as every other commandment. God didn't separate the law of the covenant into 'categories' --- men did.


this is not freedom given to us in order to go on sinning. of course it's not.
but it's real freedom; don't shortchange the cross like that.

we have the Torah in our Bibles so we can learn from it. not so we can try to establish our own righteousness by pretending to keep it or so we can be condemned by failing it. Christ didn't die for nothing.
 
echoChrist

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posthuman said:
friend the way the law was 'done away with' with regard to those who believe ((use whatever terminology you prefer)), is that the one who is in Christ has died with Him. see Romans 6, 7 & 8.

the law has no power over anyone who has died. whoever has died is free from sin and from the authority of the law, which is the pwoer of sin.

having died doesn't make you 'only free from ritual ordinances'
having died makes you free from all of it. corpses can't be prosecuted for theft any more than they can be prosecuted for failing to bring a grain offering on the appointed day.

the sacrifices and the feasts and rites are every bit 'God's Holy commandments' just as much as every other commandment. God didn't separate the law of the covenant into 'categories' --- men did.


this is not freedom given to us in order to go on sinning. of course it's not.
but it's real freedom; don't shortchange the cross like that.

we have the Torah in our Bibles so we can learn from it. not so we can try to establish our own righteousness by pretending to keep it or so we can be condemned by failing it. Christ didn't die for nothing.
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I guess you forgot the part where the Lord said I will write the law in their hearts and minds which me being in life in Christ makes me a law keeper through the Spirit and yes God clearly states the purposes of the ritual ordinances which is only law nailed to cross im sorry but I have to listen to Jesus if you love me keep my commandments is what he said and he never said otherwise.
 
GandalfTheWhite

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Magenta said:
The law remains to judge and condemn those not saved by grace through faith.
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Of course you are right M, but that is not a New Testament concept. It has always been like that :) even in the OT people were "saved by grace through faith".

God bless you my friend :)
 
Blik

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echoChrist said:
You need to learn the difference between ritual ordinances which is the only law done away with and God's Holy commandments what did Jesus say if you love me keep my commandments but you are adamant about teaching contrary. I don't know where you received your false doctrine but I ain't buying it.
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Paul is hard to understand, and man has distorted his word, and you are clearing up one of the major distortions of Paul.

Paul calls these cancelled commands that were given to help the Hebrews learn about and obey the true law schoolmasters. A schoolmaster is not the knowledge he gives, it is a teacher of the knowledge. These commands given to teach the Israelites. The teachers are done away with, not what the teachers taught. Yet people are saying God means to do away with everything the schoolmaster taught. That is wrong.
 
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echoChrist said:
And why do people keep mixing ritual laws those in the Spirit are no longer under with God's Holy commandments there is a difference?
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The law of Moses is a package, we do not break it up because we want to keep some of it,you keep it all or you have not kept the law, period

watering down the law is not what God had in mind
 
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echoChrist said:
That depends if your one of the people that says God's Holy Commandments are a curse which Christ never said nor did any of his followers then your in contrary to the word if not then your in right standing. I defend the truth if someone teaches contrary to it. I have a passion for the word and I will clear pollution from the gospel till I die or Jesus comes which ever comes first.👂
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No one said they were a curse

if you going to try to discuss with people. At least try to understand what they are saying,

cursed is everyone who does not obey every word

the curse comes from failing to keep the owe as required, not from the commands themselves

as paul said. For all have sinned and fall short,

only Christ keep the law.

no one else has come closer
 
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eternally-gratefull

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echoChrist said:
So you mean the ten commandments have vanished away is that what you mean?
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The law has vanished

obtaining righteousness. Or learning righteousness from thenlaw has vanished. Because it was not made for that purpose.

paul call the ten commands the ministers of death.

why would he say such a thing?
 
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echoChrist said:
Saying all God's Holy commandments which Jesus said to keep every single one is truth and you to teach otherwise is whats strange.
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Why would you tell people to do what is impossible? To give them a false hope or make them proud as they do as the jew, claiming to keep thenlaw when they did not?
 
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soberxp said:
There are words about sin in the ten commandments,such as Rape, steal, kill.
In my opinion, this is the curse.The curse comes from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.let me ask you a question,How do you know what is rape,steal,kill? where those knowledge comes from?If there were no flaws in the Old Testament, I don't think there would be such words to describe sin in ten commandments.So we have the New Testament, the New Testament depicts beautiful words Instead of sin.From now, it's a real blessing.

From the perspective of God as a whole, complete full law is blessing.
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How did Adam know what they were? Or noah or his family? Or Abraham or all of those people?

how did the gentiles, who did not have the law know they were sin?

the ten commands (and other commands with them) are a test, if you keep all of these, you can be my so m but as james said, if you even stumble in one point, you guilty of all.

what is the penalty? Death the curse of the law.

jesus showed us how to be righteous mature people. By the law of love, which is a far better law than the law of Moses.
 
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echoChrist said:
Yes the Holy commandments reveal sin and sin can use it as a weapon against you if you live in the flesh without the spirit that is the curse not the Holy commandments. But if you have life in Christ sin cannot use Holy commandment as weapon it's powerless because sin and death have been defeated.
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Yet you can physically keep the holy commands, yet still break them.
jesus tried to show this on the sermon on the Mount when he said thenlaw says but I tell you thenlaw is not perfect. It can not show you every sin, or even how to keep each command, that’s why we are to walk away from it land move to a far better law
 
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eternally-gratefull

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echoChrist said:
Sorry I'm not going to receive seed by the wayside I'm going to keep all God's commandments like Jesus taught over and over again. I'm sorry you don't understand what Christ's sacrifice fulfilled.
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You can’t keep all of Gods commands,

the fact you think you can is worrisome,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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ewq1938 said:
Obeying the old law was only to be done while the old covenant was in effect. When Christ died the new covenant replaced the old and with it came a new law. Christianity 101, the very basics of the religion. What you are promoting is some odd mixture of Judaism and Christianity which is not what we are taught from the writers of scripture in the time of the new covenant.
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They could not even keep the Law.if they could christ would not have needed to come
 
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eternally-gratefull

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echoChrist said:
You need to learn the difference between ritual ordinances which is the only law done away with and God's Holy commandments what did Jesus say if you love me keep my commandments but you are adamant about teaching contrary. I don't know where you received your false doctrine but I ain't buying it.
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Again, the law is a total unit. Not a cut up peace of units.

yu need to learn that
 
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eternally-gratefull

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echoChrist said:
I guess you forgot the part where the Lord said I will write the law in their hearts and minds which me being in life in Christ makes me a law keeper through the Spirit and yes God clearly states the purposes of the ritual ordinances which is only law nailed to cross im sorry but I have to listen to Jesus if you love me keep my commandments is what he said and he never said otherwise.[/law in this aspect is his word.

Your too focused on commands,

thatbwill Burt you in the long run
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