WHERE DOES THE APOSTLE PAUL MENTION "HELL" AND ESPOUSE THE CONCEPT OF 'ETERNAL DAMNATION'?

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Hello @MichaelBoryAlis, here is one short passage that comes to mind (though there are a number of others .. e.g. Romans 5:8-9):

2 Thessalonians 1​
7 God will provide rest for you who are being persecuted and also for us when the Lord Jesus appears from Heaven. He will come with His mighty angels, ​
8 in flaming fire, bringing judgment on those who don’t know God and on those who refuse to obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus. ​
9 They will be punished with eternal destruction, forever separated from the Lord and from the glory of His power.​

~Deut

1 Thessalonians 1​
10b "Jesus rescues us from the wrath to come."​
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Just FYI, for the sake of the discussion, here's one of my lexicon's definitions for the word ὄλεθρος ("destruction") in 2 Thessalonians 1:9.

ὄλεθρος, -ον, (ὄλλυμι to destroy [perh. (ὄλνυμι) allied to Lat. vulnus]), fr. Hom. down, ruin, destruction, death: 1 Th. 5:3; 1 Tim. 6:9; εἰς ὄλεθρον τῆς σαρκός, for the destruction of the flesh, said of the external ills and troubles by which the lusts of the flesh are subdued and destroyed, 1 Co. 5:5 [see παραδίδωμι, 2]; i. q. the loss of a life of blessedness after death, future misery, αἰώνιος (as 4 Macc. 10:15): 2 Th. 1:9 [where L txt. ὀλέθριον, q. v.], cf. Sap. 1:12.* ~Thayer, J. H. (1889). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament​

~Deut
 
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When the Bible describes torment lasting "forever and ever", it's referring to the lifespans in which the sins were committed. The unrepentant will be tormented by having their sins exposed by the light of Christ. The unrepentant will then be annihilated.
 
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Paul claimed "to declare unto you all the counsel of God."

Yet he never once mentioned hell.
 
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MichaelBoryAlis said:
Any astute students here?
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"For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live."

(I believe the answer you are seeking may be found in those words)
 
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stepbystep said:
"For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live."

(I believe the answer you are seeking may be found in those words)
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Deuteronomy said:
Just FYI, for the sake of the discussion, here's one of my lexicon's definitions for the word ὄλεθρος ("destruction") in 2 Thessalonians 1:9.

ὄλεθρος, -ον, (ὄλλυμι to destroy [perh. (ὄλνυμι) allied to Lat. vulnus]), fr. Hom. down, ruin, destruction, death: 1 Th. 5:3; 1 Tim. 6:9; εἰς ὄλεθρον τῆς σαρκός, for the destruction of the flesh, said of the external ills and troubles by which the lusts of the flesh are subdued and destroyed, 1 Co. 5:5 [see παραδίδωμι, 2]; i. q. the loss of a life of blessedness after death, future misery, αἰώνιος (as 4 Macc. 10:15): 2 Th. 1:9 [where L txt. ὀλέθριον, q. v.], cf. Sap. 1:12.* ~Thayer, J. H. (1889). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament​

~Deut
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you'll have to study the greek for 'eternal' also, which is anionios, which is plural for 'ages' - not endless.

Paul wrote Rom 11:36 Out of him and through him and to him are ALL THINGS.
Paul was a universalist, not endless damnationist.
 
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Magenta said:
Paul claimed "to declare unto you all the counsel of God."

Yet he never once mentioned hell.
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He did mention 'Hades' in I Cor 15:55 from quoting Hosea 13:14.
Of course, the obsequious translators never place "Hell" there like they did in all other passages, because it does not coincide with their demonic doctrines.
 
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MichaelBoryAlis said:
He did mention 'Hades' in I Cor 15:55 from quoting Hosea 13:14.
Of course, the obsequious translators never place "Hell" there like they did in all other passages, because it does not coincide with their demonic doctrines.
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Most translations use the word "death." :) link

“Where, O Death, is your victory? Where, O Death, is your sting?”

Only four of about 29 or 30 use Hades once, where the other translations have death twice but one that uses "grave" once.
 
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MichaelBoryAlis said:
Any astute students here?
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Even if you are right, (not saying you are) what would it matter that Paul didn't use the word Hell?

God in human form, Jesus Christ certainly did, amongst others.
 
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Yup, because they don't understand the spiritual interpretation of "Hades".

What a master botch-up of the true translation.
 
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PennEd said:
Even if you are right, (not saying you are) what would it matter that Paul didn't use the word Hell?

God in human form, Jesus Christ certainly did, amongst others.
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It's a portal to move through to begin realizing the demonic doctrine of 'Eternal Hell-Fire Damnation'

Paul was a pure universalist, like the Creator is.
 
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PennEd said:
Even if you are right, (not saying you are) what would it matter that Paul didn't use the word Hell?

God in human form, Jesus Christ certainly did, amongst others.
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Paul told us to be imitators of him ;)
 
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PennEd said:
Pretty sure this negates anything else this person says.
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Feel free to elaborate. Illuminate us on what "ALL THINGS" means in Romans 11:36 -
Out of him and through him and to him are ALL THINGS.
 
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MichaelBoryAlis said:
He did mention 'Hades' in I Cor 15:55 from quoting Hosea 13:14.
Of course, the obsequious translators never place "Hell" there like they did in all other passages, because it does not coincide with their demonic doctrines.
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Paul’s teaching is to the body of Christ. Why talk about hell to those who aren’t going?
 
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MichaelBoryAlis said:
anionios .. is plural for 'ages' - not endless.
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2 Thessalonians 1
9 They will be punished with eternal destruction, forever separated from the Lord and from the glory of His power.

Hello again Michael, the translation that you see above (from the NASB) is the basic translation that all of our Bibles use for v9 (be they translations, paraphrases, or something in between .. 2 Thessalonians 1:9). You believe the translation our Bibles use is incorrect, yes, so what translation or paraphrase do you believe they should have used (instead of "eternal destruction") :unsure:

Thanks!

~Deut
 
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