"Your heavenly Father." Matthew 6:26

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phil36

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"Your heavenly Father." Matthew 6:26


God's people are doubly his children, they are his offspring by creation, and they are his sons by adoption in Christ. Hence they are privileged to call him, "Our Father which art in heaven." Father! Oh, what precious word is that. Here is authority: "If I be a Father, where is mine honour?" If ye be sons, where is your obedience? Here is affection mingled with authority; an authority which does not provoke rebellion; an obedience demanded which is most cheerfully rendered--which would not be withheld even if it might. The obedience which God's children yield to him must be loving obedience.

Do not go about the service of God as slaves to their taskmaster's toil, but run in the way of his commands because it is your Father's way. Yield your bodies as instruments of righteousness, because righteousness is your Father's will, and his will should be the will of his child. Father!--Here is a kingly attribute so sweetly veiled in love, that the King's crown is forgotten in the King's face, and his sceptre becomes, not a rod of iron, but a silver sceptre of mercy--the sceptre indeed seems to be forgotten in the tender hand of him who wields it.

Father!--Here is honour and love. How great is a Father's love to his children! That which friendship cannot do, and mere benevolence will not attempt, a father's heart and hand must do for his sons. They are his offspring, he must bless them; they are his children, he must show himself strong in their defence. If an earthly father watches over his children with unceasing love and care, how much more does our heavenly Father? Abba, Father! He who can say this, hath uttered better music than cherubim or seraphim can reach. There is heaven in the depth of that word--Father! There is all I can ask; all my necessities can demand; all my wishes can desire. I have all in all to all eternity when I can say, "Father."
 

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In Romans 14:8 it is put like this: For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s.

We are created to serve the Lord. We cannot serve two masters, we cannot serve sin and also serve the Lord, we must choose.

We cannot ask the Lord to save us based on this service to the Lord that is called works, salvation is only through faith. But we are also not to tell the Lord we won consider Him the master and work for Him if the Lord refuses to use those works for our salvation.
 

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"Your heavenly Father." Matthew 6:26


God's people are doubly his children, they are his offspring by creation, and they are his sons by adoption in Christ. Hence they are privileged to call him, "Our Father which art in heaven." Father! Oh, what precious word is that. Here is authority: "If I be a Father, where is mine honour?" If ye be sons, where is your obedience? Here is affection mingled with authority; an authority which does not provoke rebellion; an obedience demanded which is most cheerfully rendered--which would not be withheld even if it might. The obedience which God's children yield to him must be loving obedience.

Do not go about the service of God as slaves to their taskmaster's toil, but run in the way of his commands because it is your Father's way. Yield your bodies as instruments of righteousness, because righteousness is your Father's will, and his will should be the will of his child. Father!--Here is a kingly attribute so sweetly veiled in love, that the King's crown is forgotten in the King's face, and his sceptre becomes, not a rod of iron, but a silver sceptre of mercy--the sceptre indeed seems to be forgotten in the tender hand of him who wields it.

Father!--Here is honour and love. How great is a Father's love to his children! That which friendship cannot do, and mere benevolence will not attempt, a father's heart and hand must do for his sons. They are his offspring, he must bless them; they are his children, he must show himself strong in their defence. If an earthly father watches over his children with unceasing love and care, how much more does our heavenly Father? Abba, Father! He who can say this, hath uttered better music than cherubim or seraphim can reach. There is heaven in the depth of that word--Father! There is all I can ask; all my necessities can demand; all my wishes can desire. I have all in all to all eternity when I can say, "Father."
We become sons through the new birth not the adoption . The adoption hasn't happened yet . Rom 8.23 . The Lords prayer is a Jewish prayer " our " corporate) prayer .
 

phil36

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We become sons through the new birth not the adoption . The adoption hasn't happened yet . Rom 8.23 . The Lords prayer is a Jewish prayer " our " corporate) prayer .

Hi throughfaith.

I think the problem here is that you are so bent on refuting(overly obsessed) reformed theology that you can't see the tree's for the forest. Because of that you've totally missed the point of the post which was written by Charles Spurgeon.
 

throughfaith

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Hi throughfaith.

I think the problem here is that you are so bent on refuting reformed theology that you can't see the tree's for the forest. Because of that you've totally missed the point of the post which was written by Charles Spurgeon.
Why would i listen to anything Spurgeon said ? He claimed that calvinism IS the Gospel.
 

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"Your heavenly Father." Matthew 6:26


God's people are doubly his children, they are his offspring by creation, and they are his sons by adoption in Christ. Hence they are privileged to call him, "Our Father which art in heaven." Father! Oh, what precious word is that. Here is authority: "If I be a Father, where is mine honour?" If ye be sons, where is your obedience? Here is affection mingled with authority; an authority which does not provoke rebellion; an obedience demanded which is most cheerfully rendered--which would not be withheld even if it might. The obedience which God's children yield to him must be loving obedience.

Do not go about the service of God as slaves to their taskmaster's toil, but run in the way of his commands because it is your Father's way. Yield your bodies as instruments of righteousness, because righteousness is your Father's will, and his will should be the will of his child. Father!--Here is a kingly attribute so sweetly veiled in love, that the King's crown is forgotten in the King's face, and his sceptre becomes, not a rod of iron, but a silver sceptre of mercy--the sceptre indeed seems to be forgotten in the tender hand of him who wields it.

Father!--Here is honour and love. How great is a Father's love to his children! That which friendship cannot do, and mere benevolence will not attempt, a father's heart and hand must do for his sons. They are his offspring, he must bless them; they are his children, he must show himself strong in their defence. If an earthly father watches over his children with unceasing love and care, how much more does our heavenly Father? Abba, Father! He who can say this, hath uttered better music than cherubim or seraphim can reach. There is heaven in the depth of that word--Father! There is all I can ask; all my necessities can demand; all my wishes can desire. I have all in all to all eternity when I can say, "Father."
What would you say to those who had sucky earthly father's?
 

AgapeShellArt

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We become sons through the new birth not the adoption . The adoption hasn't happened yet . Rom 8.23 . The Lords prayer is a Jewish prayer " our " corporate) prayer .
Maybe not for you...

God tells me I am His child, so not sure where you are heading but it looks like a cliff.
 

AgapeShellArt

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1 John 3:1
See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him.
 

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Romans 8:16 ESV
The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
 

throughfaith

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Maybe not for you...

God tells me I am His child, so not sure where you are heading but it looks like a cliff.
Romans 8.23 tells us what the Adoption is and when . What we have had happen is we have become sons through John 1.12 not ' Adoption ' .
 

throughfaith

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What is the difference between adoption and becoming a child of God?
Well in Western terms . One is through natural birth and the other is done through legal means . In Jewish ( biblical terms its the full inheritance / privileges that sons get . In the biblical term ' adoption 'this refers to our new bodies ( glorification)
Rom 8 .23 literally says this .Its what the whole of creation is waiting for . Our manifestation.

22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption to wit ,the redemption of our body.
 
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We become sons through the new birth not the adoption . The adoption hasn't happened yet . Rom 8.23 . The Lords prayer is a Jewish prayer " our " corporate) prayer .
For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”
Romans 8:14‭-‬15 ESV
We are adopted as son already as is written here.
In verse 23 you can't leave off the last sentence.
And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
Romans 8:23 ESV

The redemption of our bodies.
Which is in context with the passage that begins in verse 18. This is about our resurrection.
 

AgapeShellArt

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Well in Western terms . One is through natural birth and the other is done through legal means . In Jewish ( biblical terms its the full inheritance / privileges that sons get . In the biblical term ' adoption 'this refers to our new bodies ( glorification)
Rom 8 .23 literally says this .Its what the whole of creation is waiting for . Our manifestation.

22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption to wit ,the redemption of our body.
I agree we don't have our new bodies yet and since you agree that we are now children of God...then the only thing we disagree with is the use of the word "adoption"

Thanks for clarifying your position.
 

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I agree we don't have our new bodies yet and since you agree that we are now children of God...then the only thing we disagree with is the use of the word "adoption"

Thanks for clarifying your position.
Yes. But it does effect how you understand the verses which have the word adoption in them . Especially ' Predestination verses .
 

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Yes. But it does effect how you understand the verses which have the word adoption in them . Especially ' Predestination verses .

Hi throughfaith.

It goes back to what I said in the original OP. Which I can now assume you did not understand the point of what was being said as can be seen in you reply in post number 3. Your obsession is clouding your thinking. Your just arguing for arguing sake. and even worse your argument has no bearing on the meaning of the OP.