Calvinists are preaching a false message .

The shame is on you . I'm against false teachings like Calvinism. Its a system. A theological worldview .I'm not attacking individuals .Its not personal. Please try and do the same.

What we see often is the study to shew thy self approved ect is reduced to " what do the scholars say on this verse " .

One of the confusing things about Calvinism is that it does recognize some sound doctrines, but it places them under the umbrella of Calvinism where they get tainted.

Now suddenly someone may rightly believe in a true Biblical doctrine, but due to close proximity of something like Calvinism there is guilt of heresy by association. This is not necessarily the case.

We find ourselves rightly dividing the word of truth and sharpening the sickle of our discernment to harvest the whest of truth from among the weeds.

Who said the word predestination here ?

Romans 8:29
For those God foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the image
of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.

This totally untrue. At every level. lets have a look at one part of your statement - do you not think those who are reformed believe God command s all men to repent?

That was me. You mentioned how the Lord chooses those who will be conformed to the image of Jesus, and the word used in Scripture is predestined not choose. Where in Scripture does the Lord choose those who will be conformed to his image?

Where's the word "chose" or "choose"?

Matthew 22:14

14 For many are called, but few are chosen.”

Ephesians 1:4-5
just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him.
In love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,

John 15:16a
You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit,

2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has
chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

When we recieve glorification then we are conformed.

Chosen for what ?

Ephesians 1:3-5

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms. 4 For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love 5He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will,…

I think Ephesians answers your question Ephesian 1:3-5

Yes, but only the frozen chosen are able. How silly is that? That's as daft as a Father commanding his children to tidy their room ,but locks the door . He then punishes them for being disobedient.

Yes all those in Christ were chosen to be holy and blameless. What else would God choose for such a position. Then this becomes a reality for each and every person who gets 'in Christ ' . And what else would be the result of being in a eternal being ?Wouldn't we also be blessed with all spiritual blessings IN CHRIST JESUS ? THIS ! was chosen before the foundation . After all , we are not in him until eph 1.12-13 happens.

God's says that not me.. So are you not a chosen one as the bible tells us - all believers are?

You've just called God silly..I would think that is not wise.. Your hatred will make you a bitter person.

No Augustine said it . Then Calvin. Then everone else has been deceived into leaving thier sense making at the door and no longer believe the bible anymore . What use is the bible when you can have doctrines spoon fed to you .

Hi throughfaith.

God says all his children are his chosen. If Augustine, Calvin, Wesley or barney who lives down the street says that God's children are his chosen then they are just agreeing with God's word...

here's a scripture Magenta posted above.

2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has
chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.


I think your so obsessed about Calvin that you can't or won't see the blessing of being a chosen child of God. Because of this obsession your missing the point that its not the fact the we believe we are chosen - as all Christians do believe (or should) - but that we disagree on how God chooses who he chooses.