Not By Works

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BillG

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Acts 2:5 (KJV)
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
Yes but look at the extra verses I quoted.
It wasn't just the Jews
 

VCO

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I believe OSAS provides false security because it allows people to think they may obtain by dead faith that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life. The reason why is because Jesus said over and over, "To him that overcometh..." but OSAS teaches, "Overcoming? Meh...not important."

WRONG.

 

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dc - - I do not know is you are allowed to check this page, but we are at 7500 Pagesl That is a tribute to YOU, and thanks for all the fun.

We are closing in on 150,000 posts too. ONLY 17 More to GO.
 
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I am not here to argue a point thinking I would change the regulars' minds. If someone here has been in this thread for years with their beliefs, I have no hope of changing their minds. I only hope someone reading would receive the truth.
I will now leave.
That’s kind of rude,

I answered your question in detail, you could have responded back but instead this?

maybe it is you who will not change your mind so you do not want to answer tuff questions

did me asking how long eternal life is hurt you?
 

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I believe OSAS provides false security because it allows people to think they may obtain by dead faith that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life. The reason why is because Jesus said over and over, "To him that overcometh..." but OSAS teaches, "Overcoming? Meh...not important."
If OSAS is not what happens at the moment of receiving Jesus Christ as our Savior, then there is no security in any other venue for salvation. If salvation can be lost and only retained through works or certain acts, then we are no better off than the Sadducee, Pharisee.

There is no "false security" in accepting the gift of salvation from our Lord Jesus Christ whose blood is the only powerful thing to cleanses us from our filthy sin.

Titus 3:5 - Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost

Romans 10:9 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
 

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dc - - I do not know is you are allowed to check this page, but we are at 7500 Pagesl That is a tribute to YOU, and thanks for all the fun.

We are closing in on 150,000 posts too. ONLY 17 More to GO.
Don't know about you but I do not plan on stopping with any future total of posts. As long as this thread remains open (and I hope it does) I will continue to support Not By Works.
 
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Look

your a legalist!

own up to what you are. You will get a lot more respect?
Nope, I preach we are saved by grace but are judged by our works because our works prove if we've been saved by grace.

You are a preacher of License - that salvation is a license to continue doing without consequence that which caused the death of Jesus on the Cross in the first place.

You not only break the Ten Commandments but teach others to do so. Jesus says we are to both do and teach others to keep them. Talk about calling evil "good" and good "evil". :oops:
 
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Nope, I preach we are saved by grace but are judged by our works because our works prove if we've been saved by grace.
just another way to say born of the spirit perfected by works. Again, paul calls people who believe this fools. and most of all. remember God knows our heart, he does not need proof.

You are a preacher of License - that salvation is a license to continue doing without consequence that which caused the death of Jesus on the Cross in the first place.
nope, I am a preacher that believes he who began a good work in you will complete it (hebrews)

i am a preacher who believes that those born of God can not live in sin because Gods spirit is in this (1 John)

I am a preacher who says a dog is made into a new creature, and as such, will not return to his vomit, only a dog returns to his vomit

i am a preacher who states that this who wer of us and are no longer with us, but now reject Christ in sin were never of us, because as John said, if they were they never would have left.

I was the tax collector who God on my knees, and called out on Gods mercy, and in doing so, God saved me, not by my works of righteousness (how good I am) but because of his mercy.

you sir have slandered me, and in doing so you have broken the 9th commandment which says you shalt not bear false witness, where you are guilty as charged

You not only break the Ten Commandments but teach others to do so. Jesus says we are to both do and teach others to keep them. Talk about calling evil "good" and good "evil". :oops:
nope I call evil evil and I a, calling your sin out, and proving that you break the ten commands and do not even own up to it.

you are like the pharisee pumping your chest and declair ing how righteous you are by praising God your not like the sinner

that my friend is evil as is your false gospel of works

again, own up to it my friend. I find it amazing people teach something but they are afraid to admit it. Own it man. Then repent,
 

VCO

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Don't know about you but I do not plan on stopping with any future total of posts. As long as this thread remains open (and I hope it does) I will continue to support Not By Works.

No, I do not plan on stopping either. What I meant, is we owed continuing till at least to 7500 pages and 150,000 posts to dc. After that it will be the LORD'S WILL if we continue this O.S.A.S. THREAD.
 
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No, I do not plan on stopping either. What I meant, is we owed continuing till at least to 7500 pages and 150,000 posts to dc. After that it will be the LORD'S WILL if we continue this O.S.A.S. THREAD.
I am sure this thread will be continuing when his ban expires and he returns
 
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If OSAS is not what happens at the moment of receiving Jesus Christ as our Savior, then there is no security in any other venue for salvation. If salvation can be lost and only retained through works or certain acts, then we are no better off than the Sadducee, Pharisee.

There is no "false security" in accepting the gift of salvation from our Lord Jesus Christ whose blood is the only powerful thing to cleanses us from our filthy sin.

Titus 3:5 - Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost

Romans 10:9 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
Licensed Christianity always confuses "Christian Origination" with "Christian Obligation". Everyone knows how "Christian Origination" happens: "by grace through faith...not of works."

What about "Christian Obligation" - the non-negotiable, unconditional duty of the Christian to render the "reasonable service" of good works?

There are two kinds of people in the church:
1) saved Christians secure in Christ's promise of indwelling power to fulfill their obligation to overcome sinful habits

2) lost sinners falsely secure in a presumption of salvation due to having rejected Christ's indwelling power to fulfill this obligation.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but by Hs mercy he saved us
 
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Licensed Christianity always confuses "Christian Origination" with "Christian Obligation". Everyone knows how "Christian Origination" happens: "by grace through faith...not of works."

What about "Christian Obligation" - the non-negotiable, unconditional duty of the Christian to render the "reasonable service" of good works?

There are two kinds of people in the church:
1) saved Christians secure in Christ's promise of indwelling power to fulfill their obligation to overcome sinful habits

2) lost sinners falsely secure in a presumption of salvation due to having rejected Christ's indwelling power to fulfill this obligation.
You forgot one

the religious christian, who thinks he is perfecting his salvation based on how good he is, on how much he resists sin, on how well he obeys the law. The modern day pharisee
 
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For by grace we have been saved through faith, and not of ourselves it is the gift f God, not of works lest anyone should be puffed up
 

VCO

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Nope, I preach we are saved by grace but are judged by our works because our works prove if we've been saved by grace.

You are a preacher of License - that salvation is a license to continue doing without consequence that which caused the death of Jesus on the Cross in the first place.

You not only break the Ten Commandments but teach others to do so. Jesus says we are to both do and teach others to keep them. Talk about calling evil "good" and good "evil". :oops:

AND O.S.A.S. TEACHES NEVER has works been part of SALVATION,

But our DEEDS, have ALWAYS BEEN PART OF OUR AGAPE LOVE.

AND AGAPE LOVE COMES FROM GOD.

Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
5 This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
 
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If Abraham was found by works, he would have something to boast about, but not before God, for what does the w rapture say, Abraham believed and it was accounted to him as righteousness. Abraham was saved before he committed many of his sin, and did any work
 
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We have not been given the spirit of fear, but the spirit of adoption, and of sound mind
 
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He did not come to judge the world, but that the world through him might be saved
 
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150,000, dedicated to my Brother DC. Bless you brother wherever you are