Why does God allow suffering?

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For us to know God is for God to know us.

God doesn't want to experience the sin in sinners, so He limits His own knowledge and allows this fallen place to exist. No one wants to admit to satan being the ruler and having authority. satan will be dethroned, but not yet. Jesus removed satan’s claim on us as long as we acknowledge what Jesus did on the cross.

Bad things happen because we asked to be here following satan and to be about ourselves separated from God.

God is only going to allow the people He knows into Heaven, so stop sinning.
 
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For us to know God is for God to know us.

God doesn't want to experience the sin in sinners, so He limits His own knowledge and allows this fallen place to exist. No one wants to admit to satan being the ruler and having authority. satan will be dethroned, but not yet. Jesus removed satan’s claim on us as long as we acknowledge what Jesus did on the cross.

Bad things happen because we asked to be here following satan and to be about ourselves separated from God.

God is only going to allow the people He knows into Heaven, so stop sinning.
GOD is all knowing. GOD knows the end from the beginning. HE knows all the children of the kingdom to the finest detail, there isn't anything we can reveal to HIM about us that HE didn't know even from before creation. HE is the ALL KNOWING GOD.


Suffering is the result of a fallen planet, and a fallen state. There is no suffering in a celestial heavens world.
 
Jan 21, 2021
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Do you need scripture showing God not knowing something to understand the situation we are in?
 
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Guess so, okay here:

Why would He say: "Who told you that you are naked?".

Why would He wait almost until Abraham was going to sacrifice his son to stop him?

The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it." Job 1:7

Knowing the outcome and knowing every step of the way are two different things.
 
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Has it occurred to anyone that maybe knowing every detail can be taxing or makes this pointless for God? He is still all knowing, but placing limits on Himself doesn't mean He is any less powerful.
 
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For us to know God is for God to know us.

God doesn't want to experience the sin in sinners, so He limits His own knowledge and allows this fallen place to exist. No one wants to admit to satan being the ruler and having authority. satan will be dethroned, but not yet. Jesus removed satan’s claim on us as long as we acknowledge what Jesus did on the cross.

Bad things happen because we asked to be here following satan and to be about ourselves separated from God.

God is only going to allow the people He knows into Heaven, so stop sinning.

Did you consider that, after the universe was established that Adam and Eve made the deliberate and conscious decision to sin against God? Didn't God say they would die? Well what happened?

You are wanting the laws of the universe to change to protect us from shooting each other, going hungry, being too cold, being too hot, etc. Just isn't how it works.

The question is why do people allow suffering? I think God sent Jesus to give us spiritual salvation and not physical deliverance from hardships. Actually, hardships will be guaranteed.

John 16:33
33These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
 
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Guess so, okay here:

Why would He say: "Who told you that you are naked?".

Why would He wait almost until Abraham was going to sacrifice his son to stop him?

The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it." Job 1:7

Knowing the outcome and knowing every step of the way are two different things.
If you will listen, i will explain this.

The fruit they ate of that certain tree they erroneously called the tree of knowlege of good and evil, had a certain affect on their physical body. GOD said HE made man in HIS image and after HIS likeness, do you think GOD is walking around naked? No that is not the case at all.

Before the fall; before they ate that fruit from that certain tree, they had Glory Raiments, which is called Shekinah Glory. When they ate from that fruit, it stripped off their shekinah glory. After eating the fruit, and losing their shekinah glory, their physical body began to go through changes until they migrated to mortality. This is what was meant by: For all men have sinned, and fallen short of glory. Why? Because every man in this earth is born in a mortal body. Mortality, is the sin nature.

So the GOD was having a conversation with HIS son, asking if HE had eaten the fruit not because HE didn't know, but to show that is what the result was from eating the fruit. And the nakedness, is the body without glory raiments.

This is what Jesus His Pre-Eminence meant when HE said: 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. Revealing that we are supposed to immortalise the body in life.

Now for the second instance.

Abraham did not understand exactly what GOD was saying. And his lack of understanding resulted in him about to murder his son. What GOD said is to give his son as a living sacrifice. But that was not understood well.

Enoch, lived forever, he was a living sacrifice unto GOD. And the person who trained him is Adam. Therefore, Father Adam gave a living sacrifice unto the GOD, because he taught Enoch revelations to the point that he lived forever.

This is what Abraham was supposed to do. He, being the Angel of the church at that time, the 3rd Angel of the church to be precise, was getting eucharistic Revelations from the GOD that he was supposed to feed the people. Just as Apostle Peter, the 6th Angel of the Church was told to feed HIS sheep. Abraham, was supposed to feed Isaac with revelations to the point that he lived forever, that he transfigured in life alive. That is what he was told to do.

But Abraham, was not able to catch what GOD was saying perfectly, because the GOD has HIS height of communication and frequency. Thus, it played out the way it did. And the GOD stopped him before he did it. GOD had to even put a ram in the thicket for Abraham to understand that it is not what he was told to do. Another example that he wasn't getting the messages right, is that it is written that GOD said: walk perfect before me - to show he was not doing well.

A Prophet, who receives WORD from GOD, who is getting Revelations from GOD to share to the people, must get that message exactly right, or it can cause problems. Such as what Joshua did in killing the inhabitants of the land of Cana'an, he did not get the message right. GOD did not tell him to wipe them out. Alot of the things that the Israelites did, the injustices they caused to others, were a result of not getting the messages exactly right. And we have proof! Isaiah talks about how their sacrifices are vain oblations unto HIM. We read many times that the people turned away from GOD, we read that even Elijah had to prove to them that they were not following GOD. Many things they did they did wrong.

So its one thing to hear the message, its another to decipher it and assimilate it, then its another thing entirely to teach it. There are many things that they did not get exactly correct, and this is Proven in the fact that when Jesus His Pre-Eminence came into the earth, HE revealed things that they did not know, HE brought out revelations about Moses Law, and so on, to show that HE is the GOD that taught Moses, and that Moses did not get it exactly right. This is why they accused HIM of making HIMSELF eqaul with GOD. And why many claim the GOD of the OT is an angry GOD, while the GOD of the NT is loving.

And the final contention....

Job is an allegory. And the proof is that the way GOD boasted about Job, is the same way HE boasted about Jesus His Pre-Eminence.
Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. Then the next thing that happened was that HE was tempted three times. Look at the beginning of Job. Job is a wonderful book, about fall of Man. The three friends are the arch angels that assisted Father Adam and Mother Eve in the fall.

GOD is ALL KNOWING. GOD respects our choices. GOD will not stand in the way of our choices.
 
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You're not grasping the excuses a self limiting God answers to unbelievers. I see your point about the second one, but you have nothing for the first and last example I listed.
 
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Is suffering the doorway being opened so God can restore and miraculously place a healing that involves a great Testimony unto God?
 
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You're not grasping the excuses a self limiting God answers to unbelievers. I see your point about the second one, but you have nothing for the first and last example I listed.
This is very simple, GOD does not limit HIMSELF....

If GOD is all not all knowing, how is there the plan of salvation that is perfect? How is there thes book of life, from the foundation of the world? Do you know it is the GOD that gives children? What i mean it is HE that sends the Spirit Being, programmed in the soul, into their physical body in the womb of their biological mother. GOD also pre-destines the children of the kingdom, goes into the future to make crooked paths straight.

If GOD isn't all knowing, HE can't do these things perfectly.
 
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A self-limited God shoots down their arguments against Free Will and why there is starvation/children with cancer.
 
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A self-limited God shoots down their arguments against Free Will and why there is starvation/children with cancer.
How does it? Every man and woman has their free will. Even the enemies of mankind, lucifer and cohorts have their free will. The church is predestined, the earth is predestined, but everyone has their choices. If it were so, why wouldn't the GOD stop Mother Eve, and Father Adam from eating the fruit?

Cancer is a result of mortality. The children starving is a result of the rulers of this world.
 
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You said it yourself, why didn't God stop Adam and Eve? I think God knew the outcome no matter who were the souls of Adam and Eve. This place was always going happen. But again, knowing the outcome is different from knowing every step of way there. Do you think God wants a front row seat to sin?
 
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You said it yourself, why didn't God stop Adam and Eve? I think God knew the outcome no matter who were the souls of Adam and Eve. This place was always going happen. But again, knowing the outcome is different from knowing every step of way there. Do you think God wants a front row seat to sin?
There is a reason why HE didnt stop it from happening, because the Fall of Man is a plan. GOD planted the tree for reason, so that it would bring their physical bodies to the mortal state where Procreation is possible. The fruit they ate gave them their mortal bodies. That is why when GOD said, the day you eat of it, thou shalt surely die, because the mortal state can only lead to death.
The sin nature is mortality, that is why no mortal can enter into heaven. That is why we cannot be with GOD because the body we have is mortal. That is why Isaiah said our sins are red like crimson, talking about the blood in the body. That is why Moses parted the "red" sea. And paul said: Blood cannot inherit the kingdom.

And GOD did not reveal it is a plan so that we would see that Father Adam chose to eat the fruit of his own free will. That he wasn't forced to do it, but he knew that it was a must do, so that the children of the kingdom could have a physical body as well. And this what was revealed by Jesus His Pre-Eminence who showed us that because HE did it of HIS own free will.

John 10:18-20
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Jesus His Pre-Eminence, who was called the second Adam, but is not the second Adam, HE is GOD, revealed to us the things that happened in the Garden of Eden to Adam, by the things that HE said and did. That is why it was in the garden of gethsemane, that HE prayed those prayers, before they arrested HIM, because Father Adam prayed those prayers in the Garden of Eden. That is why Judas betrayed HIM with a kiss, showing what Mother Eve did. It was a replay of the events of the Garden of Eden, so that we would know what actually happened.

1 Tim 2:14
Adam was not deceied, it was the woman that was deceived and found in the transgression.
 
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There is a reason why HE didnt stop it from happening, because the Fall of Man is a plan. GOD planted the tree for reason, so that it would bring their physical bodies to the mortal state where Procreation is possible. The fruit they ate gave them their mortal bodies. That is why when GOD said, the day you eat of it, thou shalt surely die, because the mortal state can only lead to death.
The sin nature is mortality, that is why no mortal can enter into heaven. That is why we cannot be with GOD because the body we have is mortal. That is why Isaiah said our sins are red like crimson, talking about the blood in the body. That is why Moses parted the "red" sea. And paul said: Blood cannot inherit the kingdom.

And GOD did not reveal it is a plan so that we would see that Father Adam chose to eat the fruit of his own free will. That he wasn't forced to do it, but he knew that it was a must do, so that the children of the kingdom could have a physical body as well. And this what was revealed by Jesus His Pre-Eminence who showed us that because HE did it of HIS own free will.

John 10:18-20
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Jesus His Pre-Eminence, who was called the second Adam, but is not the second Adam, HE is GOD, revealed to us the things that happened in the Garden of Eden to Adam, by the things that HE said and did. That is why it was in the garden of gethsemane, that HE prayed those prayers, before they arrested HIM, because Father Adam prayed those prayers in the Garden of Eden. That is why Judas betrayed HIM with a kiss, showing what Mother Eve did. It was a replay of the events of the Garden of Eden, so that we would know what actually happened.

1 Tim 2:14
Adam was not deceied, it was the woman that was deceived and found in the transgression.
lulz, oh, God wanted us in this fallen state ::rolls eyes::
I'm pretty sure God could come up with another way for us to procreate than joining this awful place.
 
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You said it yourself, why didn't God stop Adam and Eve? I think God knew the outcome no matter who were the souls of Adam and Eve. This place was always going happen. But again, knowing the outcome is different from knowing every step of way there. Do you think God wants a front row seat to sin?
I didn't say that myself. You're projecting the assumption that God is supposed to prevent us from suffering for the consequences of our actions. That's an unBiblical view of God which means it's a straw man argument that doesn't address the real issue.
 
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lulz, oh, God wanted us in this fallen state ::rolls eyes::
I'm pretty sure God could come up with another way for us to procreate than joining this awful place.
There is no other for procreation to be possible, the blood cells are needed for that.
 
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I didn't say that myself. You're projecting the assumption that God is supposed to prevent us from suffering for the consequences of our actions. That's an unBiblical view of God which means it's a straw man argument that doesn't address the real issue.
How do you think I was talking to you? Oh, you must have someone blocked.