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Why do you think they said ' sleep ' instead of ' died ' ?
not that you asked me, but IMO because of what he said at the mourning of Lazarus, that who lives and believes in Him will never die, and that who believes in Him, though he die, he will live.
because in Him is life, and that life is greater than death - God is using the words 'death' and 'sleep' to mean something different than what humankind understands them to mean; to God life isn't dependent on the life of the flesh, and death isn't dependent on death of the flesh. but God also, speaking to man, speaks in human terms, so we can understand Him -- as he did with the disciples when they didn't understand what He meant by saying Lazarus slept, He finally 'told them plainly' that Lazarus had died.
it seems that when we don't comprehend the spiritual things, God speaks to us in human terms in similitude to the spiritual things -- those spiritual things are the actual reality ((not that physical reality doesn't exist, but 'physical reality' is a misleading phrase; the true reality isn't the physical)).
 

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No it isn't. And this is the error of the church, because they rejected the gospel. Moses is the Law, Elijah is the Prophet, Saul paul is neither...
why does Peter accept him?
and why was he approved by many signs and miracles, and able to give the Holy Spirit by laying on hands and prayer?

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Wonderful question. This is a similitude. You may have read about similitudes in the bible. What it means is that Abraham, called the Father of Many, was in the shoes of Father Adam, who is the father of the Mankind Race. There are other diginitaries in the shoes of the Father Adam. Samson, King David, Job are all in the similtiudes of Father Adam.
for my part i would say that the deep sleep of Adam 1.0 and the deep sleep of Abraham are both similitudes of the death & burial of Christ, Adam 2.0 -- if i had to guess i would say Adam 1.0 was in a deep sleep for 3 days & nights while the LORD God formed Woman out of his side, just as the LORD lay in the earth for 3 days & nights and His Bride is formed from His own flesh and bone, having life by the life which is in His own blood. it's the sign of Jonah

Here is my question for you to answer: How did Adam know who Eve was, and even that she was taken from his body, if he was in deep sleep?
this is also a wonderful question :)
it's really two questions, because when he first saw her, God brought her to him, and he called her name Woman -- but it was when God pronounced the judgements in Genesis 3 that he called her by a different name.

i know why he called her Eve, meaning Life -- it is because he heard & understood the gospel in the judgement of the Serpent and the promise of The Seed of Woman, and he believed. this is why the LORD God said, behold! Adam has become like one of ((The)) Us -- not because of eating from the tree; He doesn't say this about Woman/Eve. He doesn't say it when they eat. it is when when Adam changes his wife's name, that God covers them & then makes the declaration. it is because Adam believed God, and saw His Salvation.

the first question tho - how does Adam know Woman is flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone? that's tougher.
superficially we could say he woke up, noticed he had undergone surgery, saw a living soul just like him, and put 2 + 2 together. but God closed up Adam's side, and i suspect God is very good at that, just as He is at healing -- completely restoring that which was harmed. still, Christ left His scars on His hands, and left His side open. why? He could certainly have completely restored them, but He chose not to. did God do the same for Adam? then what would it mean that He rebuilded Adam's side closing up the flesh in its place ((Gen. 2:21))? so i don't think God left a mark or a hole.
so Adam might have seen her and thought it equally likely that God had created her from dust and breathed the breath of life into her, just as He had when He made every other living soul. it would be the natural assumption, and Adam is extraordinarily wise. why doesn't he make that assumption?
great question

i like to think, he saw the light in her eyes, and recognized that she was a part of him.


so this question puts us in Luke 11:33-36 -- the eye the lamp of the body -- which appropriately, is right after Christ speaking about the sign of Jonah, Luke 11:29-32
i think also, when Woman had eaten of the tree, and death had entered her, and she comes to Adam and speaks to him, he also knew immediately what had happened in the same way -- he saw it in her eyes before she even spoke or offered him the fruit.


but i'll keep thinking about that question. i am sure it is not yet fully answered in my mind ;)
 

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Israel was called the ' wife ' not bride.
yes and this is paramount to understand --

it was written that He would make the wife jealous by a people who are not a people, a people without understanding ((Deuteronomy 32:21)) -- which is a mystery revealed, even us, the betrothed bride of the Christ ((1 Peter 2:10))

yet He breaks down the enmity and out of the two makes one; we are grafted in, and He is able to graft in again the branches broken off. i don't believe that heaven will have a Jewish quarter and a Gentile quarter -- but when the angel showed John The Bride, he showed him Jerusalem above, coming down from heaven: one city, the city of the King of Peace, Yah-Shalem, the LORD provides peace.
 
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why does Peter accept him?
and why was he approved by many signs and miracles, and able to give the Holy Spirit by laying on hands and prayer?

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Saul paul is a child of the kingdom. Truly he spoke well saying that he is the least in the kingdom, and that is what Jesus His Pre-Eminence said when HE said: 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

There is really alot to explain here and im currently in service. I will just say this for now.

The deal that Jesus His Pre-Eminence was offered, is what the Apostles took. And this was why Jesus His Pre-Eminence asked Peter three times, Lovest thou me, for he was the head of the church at that time. And if you look closely, you will see that Jesus His Pre-Eminence was tempted three times. This was revealed in Apostle Peter denying Christ three times, before the cock crowed which was pointing to a new day, the day of the Lord. And the Apostles chose their martyrdom. They chose to be martyrs when they chose matthias.

saul paul is the very image of the preachers in the earth, from as many churches as there are or have been in the earth, that have claimed to hear from GOD, claimed to be sent by GOD, and claimed to have an healing ministry. The only one who had that Authority to heal, is Apostle Peter, because he had the keys of the kingdom.

If you look closely, and are honest, you will be able to see if for yourself. How many "pastors" have claimed to be called out of sin, called out of a bar, out of fornication, called out of their sinful ways, that apparently they heard the GOD speak to them, and then they became pastors, and preached the Gospel? Just as the Romans who crucified Jesus His Pre-Eminence later stole the scrolls, hijacked the church and preached a counterfeit christ. The fact that Jesus His Pre-Eminence was said to invite publicans and sinners to the wedding feast in a parable, brought this mindset home. Yet, that was coded, it does not mean for example, that an assassin, who killed for money as their job, can get down on his knees, and ask forgiveness, and then become a pastor and preach the gospel, there are the LAWS OF JUSTIFICATION..

Now here is the truth.

The Healing that Jesus His Pre-Eminence did in the earth has not been in the earth since HE healed last and that is JUSTICE. For they crucified the truthful one, they crucified the one that did amazing miracles, even called Lazarsu from the dead. And not only did they doubt that, they also wondered why would HE not have raised Joseph who they believed was HIS father. HE healed the people Amazingly, did things that medical doctors of today have still not been able to know how to do, and they conspired to kill HIM, they beat HIM, they lashed HIM, they mocked HIM, and they crucified HIM. EVIL MEN! That is why when Jesus His Pre-Eminence after HE had resurrected HIMSELF, and appeared to the Apostles at different times, HE did not heal anyone again as that would have turned the LAW OF JUSTIFICATION upside down.

Just as the sons of Jacob sold Joseph into slavery, and the people were then slaves in Egypt for 400 years before the GOD sent them the Angel of the Church, Moses to deliver them out of Bondage. That 400 years with no one to deliver them was JUSTICE for selling Joseph into Slavery. There is the price to pay for killing Prophets, for blindfolding Prophets and asking them, who hit you? As it was written, Jesus His Pre-Eminence said that HE left their house desolate unto them. Thus, it is for a times, time and half a time that the church has been in a state of apostasy, until the testimonies of the LAW and the PROPHET are revived at the dawn of a new day, that the Spirit entered back into the WORD and the WORD stood up, and fear fell upon them that left their testimonies laying dead. For the WORD is the Living WORD of GOD.

Ive explained alot more than i originally expected.

John the Beloved, who had the Blessed Virgin Mary with him, and Jude as well, is the only one that did not take the deal. That is why the GOD who is all knowing, gave the Blessed Virgin Mary (who is typifiying the church) into John the Beloved's hands. Thus, it was him that was given the privellege, of not only seeing Jesus His Pre-Eminence as HE is, but also receiving Revelations about the kingdom, about the end times, about the Angels of the Churches, about the beast, about the second death and much more, writings that he sealed on the command of GOD so that it would be the very Elijah, the 7th Angel of the Church that would finish the mystery.
 
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for my part i would say that the deep sleep of Adam 1.0 and the deep sleep of Abraham are both similitudes of the death & burial of Christ, Adam 2.0 -- if i had to guess i would say Adam 1.0 was in a deep sleep for 3 days & nights while the LORD God formed Woman out of his side, just as the LORD lay in the earth for 3 days & nights and His Bride is formed from His own flesh and bone, having life by the life which is in His own blood. it's the sign of Jonah



this is also a wonderful question :)
it's really two questions, because when he first saw her, God brought her to him, and he called her name Woman -- but it was when God pronounced the judgements in Genesis 3 that he called her by a different name.


i know why he called her Eve, meaning Life -- it is because he heard & understood the gospel in the judgement of the Serpent and the promise of The Seed of Woman, and he believed. this is why the LORD God said, behold! Adam has become like one of ((The)) Us -- not because of eating from the tree; He doesn't say this about Woman/Eve. He doesn't say it when they eat. it is when when Adam changes his wife's name, that God covers them & then makes the declaration. it is because Adam believed God, and saw His Salvation.

the first question tho - how does Adam know Woman is flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone? that's tougher.
superficially we could say he woke up, noticed he had undergone surgery, saw a living soul just like him, and put 2 + 2 together. but God closed up Adam's side, and i suspect God is very good at that, just as He is at healing -- completely restoring that which was harmed. still, Christ left His scars on His hands, and left His side open. why? He could certainly have completely restored them, but He chose not to. did God do the same for Adam? then what would it mean that He rebuilded Adam's side closing up the flesh in its place ((Gen. 2:21))? so i don't think God left a mark or a hole.
so Adam might have seen her and thought it equally likely that God had created her from dust and breathed the breath of life into her, just as He had when He made every other living soul. it would be the natural assumption, and Adam is extraordinarily wise. why doesn't he make that assumption?
great question


i like to think, he saw the light in her eyes, and recognized that she was a part of him.

so this question puts us in Luke 11:33-36 -- the eye the lamp of the body -- which appropriately, is right after Christ speaking about the sign of Jonah, Luke 11:29-32
i think also, when Woman had eaten of the tree, and death had entered her, and she comes to Adam and speaks to him, he also knew immediately what had happened in the same way -- he saw it in her eyes before she even spoke or offered him the fruit.


but i'll keep thinking about that question. i am sure it is not yet fully answered in my mind ;)
Thank you.
GOD was not there physically, Mother Eve was there first before he woke up.

Here is a revelation, King David in the shoes of Adam, how he spied on Bathseba, was pointing to the vision that Adam saw while he was in a deep sleep. And she is typifying the church, the wife, and he is her husband; the husband of the church. Therefore, like Abraham saw his children in slavery for 400 years, which is the church, Father Adam saw his bride, the church in his vision.

This is a secret, a Revelation that you won't find anywhere else.

Now I have another question for you.

It is written:18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Yet, everything you read about her, says she was a hindrance, that she was decieved by the serpent, fell from glory, and then gave to Adam also to eat.. Why would the GOD who is all knowing, say as a declaration that she is a help to him, yet she was not?
 
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yes and this is paramount to understand --

it was written that He would make the wife jealous by a people who are not a people, a people without understanding ((Deuteronomy 32:21)) -- which is a mystery revealed, even us, the betrothed bride of the Christ ((1 Peter 2:10))

yet He breaks down the enmity and out of the two makes one; we are grafted in, and He is able to graft in again the branches broken off. i don't believe that heaven will have a Jewish quarter and a Gentile quarter -- but when the angel showed John The Bride, he showed him Jerusalem above, coming down from heaven: one city, the city of the King of Peace, Yah-Shalem, the LORD provides peace.
Here is another Revelation about Jews and Gentiles.

The Israelites was the nation set apart as holy unto GOD, because it was Israel that GOD was sending the Spirit Beings of the children of the kingdom. That is what it means: That i will bless the fruit of thy womb. It means that GOD will send that woman a child of the kingdom. But the real Jew-el is the Child of the kingdom, not their biological birth. At a time, the GOD started sending children of the kingdom into other nations. This is why they claimed to be the seed of Abraham, yet they were tares. A tare is a spirit being sent from the abyss, when the GOD did not bless the fruit of thy womb.

When GOD said: Ye are like your father the devil -HE revealed it there.
When HE said: In that day ye shall seek and ye shall die in your sins. HE revealed it there. A tare shall die twice, it is sure.

As it was written, the GOD said HE doesn't know evil. Begone, ye workers of iniquity i never knew you. This is the All knowing GOD speaking. This doesn't mean that the person didn't have a relationship in the earth exactly, it means that the person is a tare.

As it was written: Jacob I loved, Esau I hated. The reason is because Esau is a tare, while Jacob is a child of the kingdom. That is why Jacob means "supplanter" pointing to the fact that he supplanted esau and retrieved the birth right that was stolen.

The Gentile, is also a child of the kingdom. But there is a difference between the two.

The Jew is a seeker of the kingdom, a seeker of the mysteries of the kingdom, a seeker of the GOD. The Jew is who seeked and found.
while the Gentile, is who was a follower of miracles, a child of the kingdom that seeked for miracles, for healing, and not the for messages of the Law and the Prophets.

Now look at how saul paul said he is an apostle sent to the gentiles.

the Proof is, here:
48And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. 49One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

It was never unnaceptable for a non israelite to sojourn with them.

Why would the GOD who is the one who sends children, make it impossible for HIS children that were born outside of Israel to join their people? The reason why Israel was the Nation set Apart to GOD was to show that the children of the kingdom are a nation, ye are the light in the word, whether they were born in Israel, or outside, Israel is the name of the nation.

So the Gentile was misunderstood. The Gentile is not only pointing to the person literally outside of Israel, but to the seekers of miracles. Their hearts are too shallow to receive the revelations that are deep. They are the ones that are the children of the second resurrection.

An example of them, are those that walked away from the messages of Jesus His Pre-Eminence in John 6:66, these are the multitude that HE fed and they ate, they saw the miracle, and still walked away from HIM. They are seekers of signs and wonders, they are the gentiles.
 

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Here is a revelation, King David in the shoes of Adam, how he spied on Bathseba, was pointing to the vision that Adam saw while he was in a deep sleep. And she is typifying the church, the wife, and he is her husband; the husband of the church. Therefore, like Abraham saw his children in slavery for 400 years, which is the church, Father Adam saw his bride, the church in his vision.

This is a secret, a Revelation that you won't find anywhere else.
hmm David was looking at another man's wife. when he looks at Bathsheba, he is typifying antichrist, and he seeks to murder the true husband.
remember, this is a sin that God must remove from David, and it leads to the death of a son, that David knows he will go to, but will not come again to him.

her husband dies in order that she may be joined to another -- and God later redeems, giving Solomon. but when David is first looking at her, he is looking with wickedness in his heart.
 
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hmm David was looking at another man's wife. when he looks at Bathsheba, he is typifying antichrist, and he seeks to murder the true husband.
remember, this is a sin that God must remove from David, and it leads to the death of a son, that David knows he will go to, but will not come again to him.


her husband dies in order that she may be joined to another -- and God later redeems, giving Solomon. but when David is first looking at her, he is looking with wickedness in his heart.
Yes, and Adam son Abel was killed. Cain the first born left and started his own city, and seth married abels sister.

Solomon is in the shoes of Cain, which is why he turned away as he grew old, the child that died in the shoes of Abel, and Jedidiah is in the shoes of Seth.

Again, there is alot to explain in this matter. I need alot of time to share it in more depth.
 
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Usually a ' torah observer ' has a fixation on names like ' Jah ' yah ' Yeshua, or adding something to Jesus name. ' Holy namers' i call it .
I prefer the Tanakh over the English Old Testament translations and I don't use such pronouns.
 

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Simple question, How did Enoch and Elijah live forever without dying at all?
The Bible doesn't say their human bodies didnt perish in the process. You're making that assumption.

Jesus His Pre-Eminence made it clear that is why they reacted that way,
No. They reacted that way because they thought Abraham and the prophets were dead. Jesus corrected their ignorance.


but they also rejected HIM because HE made HIMSELF equal with GOD. Please, next time make sure you don't omit things.
That was just another reason, but you should see life from what our Lord said, not from how humanists do.
 
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The Bible doesn't say their human bodies didnt perish in the process. You're making that assumption.

No. They reacted that way because they thought Abraham and the prophets were dead. Jesus corrected their ignorance.


That was just reason, but you should see life from what our Lord said, not from how humanists do.
Its not an assumption. Heaven is not a ghost world. Death is not just when the body dies, but death is when the Spirit Being in the soul detatches from the physical body. Enoch and Elijah put on immortality in life alive without dying at all.

Abraham at that time was in Abrahams Bosom. Tell me, did Enoch see death. No. Did Elijah? No. If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death
 

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Its not an assumption. Heaven is not a ghost world. Death is not just when the body dies, but death is when the Spirit Being in the soul detatches from the physical body. Enoch and Elijah put on immortality in life alive without dying at all.

Abraham at that time was in Abrahams Bosom. Tell me, did Enoch see death. No. Did Elijah? No. If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death
Believers already have everlasting life. Jesus also said nothing could harm the Apostles, but they were killed. We don't need to fear the death of the flesh.
 
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Believers already have everlasting life. Jesus also said nothing could harm the Apostles, but they were killed. We don't need to fear the death of the flesh.
No, the Spirit Being is immortal, the physical body in its fallen state is mortal. No person can enter into heaven without their Spirit, Soul, and body Intact. And that body must be the immortal celestial body. That is why there must be the resurrection for all the children of the kingdom that died, but resurrection isn't the only option. You can live forever, without dying at all by putting of mortality, and putting on immortality in order life alive without dying and waiting for resurrection. That is the Gospel of Ever lasting life, and this is the message the people were supposed to believe.
 

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No, the Spirit Being is immortal, the physical body in its fallen state is mortal. No person can enter into heaven without their Spirit, Soul, and body Intact. And that body must be the immortal celestial body. That is why there must be the resurrection for all the children of the kingdom that died, but resurrection isn't the only option. You can live forever, without dying at all by putting of mortality, and putting on immortality in order life alive without dying and waiting for resurrection. That is the Gospel of Ever lasting life, and this is the message the people were supposed to believe.
Jesus said Abraham was living, though his body was still buried. If you don't want to believe what Jesus said there's nothing left to say.