Where do we agree?

a few dozen Q morons stupidly went into the capital and did some moronic things while inside and sadly injuries happened and even worse, a few lost their lives.

so, while they had the right to protest, and were right about all the rigging of the election against trump, what the ones that went inside did was wrong.

now, will you SPECIFICALLY denounce blm/ antifa , as i just did the Q morons who went into the capital.

Govco is corrupt, and has been for generations. Anyone looking to them to solve their problems by any means other than to get out of the way and allow men to work and prosper is a fool.
We need them to provide for the common defense, and act a the dispensary of Justice, according to the book of Romans.
For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also for the sake of conscience. For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing.
Romans 13:3‭-‬6 ESV

No, I mean the evil of Trump supporters attacking the Capitol. You call me "leftist" and say I'm evil, and you assume I embrace all leftist policies, but I don't. I have repeatedly said I disagree with Biden (who isn't even a leftist) on many issues, and that I'm not a Democrat. And yet you're so blind you can't see that. You and your ilk are so brainwashed that your sense and reason have been completely clouded.

There were a few things Trump did that I agreed with, and I gave him credit for them. I still think he was a terrible person and a terrible president, over all. I judge every president individually, based on what they actually do and say, not based on their party affiliations. I have disagreed with some policies of EVERY president in my lifetime. Some more than others. None of them have been perfect.

I have said this before, and I'll say it again:

When I first heard about Antifa, I was fooled by their rhetoric. I thought "Antifa just means 'anti-fascist,' so if you're anti-antifa, you're just fa, or fascist." But then I spent some time researching the movement and their beliefs, and realized that they believe in furthering their agenda (which isn't horrible -- anti-fascism, which is basically a good thing) at all costs, including violence and murder (and that's where they lose me). So yes, I denounce them.

BLM started out as a hashtag, not an organized group. Starting in 2019, there has been an organized movement with elected officials. The organization denounces violence, and teaches its members non-violent means of protest, including sit-ins and silent protests. They tell their members NOT to engage police or people who oppose them. I support that movement. If you don't, you're a fool.

Unfortunately, there are people who will take advantage of large groups and sneak in to wreak havoc. That is what happened here in the Portland area, and I imagine the same thing happened in other cities. I have several friends who were part of the protests here, and they reported that the protests were completely peaceful, no throwing things, no fires, nothing even remotely destructive. The worst thing that BLM members did was write with chalk (not spray-paint, but CHALK) on some buildings.

The violence that was being reported by the media was in areas miles away from and hours after the BLM protests, and were initiated by people who had no connection to BLM. They were common street thugs (of varying races, mostly white but there were other races involved, too, so it had nothing to do with race) who took advantage of the heightened security in another part of town to commit property damage like breaking windows of store-fronts (although even that, they targeted chains and mega-corps instead of mom-and-pops). The fires were caused by police who fired smoke bombs which caught fire. Neither of those things were caused by the BLM people, who had already gone home by the time those things happened.

What I don't understand is why people who constantly accuse the media of lying are willing to believe that same media when they report something they want to believe is true. Yes, the media lies, and not out of some leftist conspiracy. They just want to spin a good story. Which story is better: "Random violence breaks out for no reason" or "Protests devolve into violence"? Obviously the second is the better story to write.

The difference between you and me isn't just our political ideologies. The difference is that I'm willing to change my views when given evidence that my views are wrong.

You cling to falsehoods, refusing to acknowledge that the emperor has no clothes.

That doesn't make you strong, or faithful, or right. It makes you gullible and weak.

I do not renounce all violence. I renounce unjust violence, such as the fools who participated in the capital incident, and the also the riots around the country.

I do not renounce the violence necessary to stop an evil person commiting and evil act.

Ummmm ... the entire Old Testament?

The Prophets weren't cursing individuals. Those judgements came down to the entire country. "Here, O Israel," God said. Not, "Hey, individuals, you need to do this." Those were directions to the whole COUNTRY.

But I don't expect you to believe it. You twist Scripture to fit your own agenda, whereas I twist my agenda to fit Scripture.

I appreciate this.

The problem is, how much violence is "necessary"? One person may disagree with another. My husband often says "that person needs to be shot," (he's never shot anyone ... yet), when I would say they just need to be locked up. Though people who hurt children or animals rile me in a way that I think I could possible do some real damage.

Please do NOT put words in my mouth.

Show me the post where I CALLED YOU evil.

I may have said much of the stuff you believe and vote for is evil, but I didn’t ever call you evil.

Indoctrinated yes. Evil no.

So you are advocating for a Mosiac law theocracy? Or a Kingship where 95% of the Kings turned into wicked tyrants?

You O Israel in context, please? Who does Moses command to help the poor? The individual... right? Individuals make up the nation. Just as God will judge our nation for the sins of the people.

What is your agenda?

Enough to stop the threat. If words or preventive measures will work, start with that. If not, how about non-lethal measures if they are a minor threat. If a major threat, the threat must be neutralized by any force necessary.

You don't even have to ask where the Dems stand and who backs them...

Wore it to the inauguration.

But the Dem party didn't. Hypocrites.

What is the government's role in the welfare of the citizens?

The constitution begins with

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

How does the government "promote the general welfare"?

Now study the originality of the general welfare clause. How it was first defined and the original debate of those people who created it.

Hint: it doesn't carry the same idea we hold of welfare today.

The Preamble is like a tiny overall caption of what follows.

The Constitution enumerates exactly HOW the government is supposed to “promote the general welfare”.

And it CERTAINLY doesn’t mean that able bodied people should basically be allowed to steal from those getting up every day and working.

James Madison talking about using the clause to bail a fishing company-

Madison then warned about the consequences of allowing Congress to expand the narrow meaning of the “General Welfare Clause”:

"If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the “general welfare,” and are the sole and supreme judges of the “general welfare,” then they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every state, county, and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the United States; they may assume the provision for the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, everything from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police would be thrown under the power of Congress, for every object I have mentioned would admit of the application of money, and might be called, if Congress pleased, provisions for the “general welfare.”

I find it interesting that 6 things were cited as the reasons for the constitution.


1. form a more perfect Union,
2. establish Justice,
3. insure domestic Tranquility,
4. provide for the common defence,
5. promote the general Welfare,
6. secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,

Relating to number 5, the key word is promote. Understand it, and we can find the role of the government in the welfare of the people.

Our police need some serious training. To start with.
You don't use force against someone not resisting.
If they are resisting use force until they are not, then stop using force. Generally speaking.

You hit the nail on the head. Extreme Leftists are incapable of rational and sane ideas, and that it fully evident in what is currently happening through Biden and the Democrats.

Liberalism and Progressivism are simply the false faces of Marxist Communism. Karl Marx postulated an unending *struggle* between the proletariat and the bourgeois. Since they do not exist America, Saul Alinsky and his ilk decided that Critical Race Theory would postulate an unending struggle between Black Americans and White Americans. And Biden has adopted this racist agenda totally. Now he is talking about reparations for Blacks, and also handing out cash generously to Black farmers. This is nothing but Reverse Racism, and THAT IS TRULY DISGUSTING. And whenever a black person is exposed for how evil and criminal they are, the race card is immediately pulled out to play on White guilt. That's why traitor Obama was never impeached.

Before narcissistic Barack and Michelle Obama came on the scene, white racism had almost disappeared from America. And the proof is that this traitor was elected TWICE as president of the republic. But that was not good enough for him. His primary goal was to keep racial tensions at a boiling point so that America would be destroyed from within. Which proves that all Leftists HATE AMERICA with a passion, and want to see another Soviet Union established, with China in control. Let's hope that there is real resistance to this Communistic nonsense, since Communism has failed wherever it raised its ugly head.

I would change this one to: Completely dismantle the private corporate prison system & overhaul the govt prison system.

These are good, but maybe they need a few more.

11. Until China stops slave labor, organ harvesting, and political & religious imprisionment, no imports at all.

12. Pass laws to open up oil drilling again to keep a presidential order from cutting it off.

13. Pass laws to investigate the Patent Office & unlock every patent that has been bought off to stifle technology, such as patents that make gasoline engines super efficient (they are there), & make the govt stop harassing inventors of technology.(they really do)

14. Force the US govt to turn over all of nikola tesla's experiments & paperwork they stole when he died so we can have free energy.

15. Make it illegal to hand out any money to foreign countries till our own debt is paid off.

16. Once the 10% flat tax has paid off our natl. debt, roll it back to 5%.