Was the Garden of Eden, literally Heaven on Earth? Was the Earth already fallen except for the Garden?

I say the death of the pope ..because that is when the USA started ..late 1700's. The papacy needed control for a specific amount of time and then handed it off to the USA ..for it to match the prophecy timeline. But your date can still be when it healed. The war happened because that is when Satan got authority of the papacy.

This video blew me away the first time I watched it.

It is Light.

My mission is to destroy excuses people have to not believe. Evolution is at the top of the list. We just have to be willing to consider that, just maybe, we were not looking at some things correctly in the Bible.

note who is talking here. God.
who has power to curse and to redeem?
and note verse 14. God curses the Serpent. note the Serpent isn't even allowed to speak in this trial.
God's the one speaking and declaring judgement. He asks and they answer Him.

so what makes you think God is saying 'Satan cursed the earth' when God's the one presiding?
somehow your thinking needs to reconcile with these:

which one says Satan subjected all to futility for the cause of hope, in order that Satan could show them mercy?

because the earth was created before Adam was, and 'sin entered the world through one man' ((Romans 5:12))

Adam was made of dust from outside of the garden, and placed in it. was Adam made from a curse? look closer at Genesis 3. God didn't curse Adam or Eve. He cursed the Serpent for what he'd done, and the ground 'for Adam's sake'
and look at Genesis 4. He accepted the blood, in which is life, and did not accept the fruit of the ground.

it is to our benefit that the earth is subjected to frustration in hope. it teaches us of Christ.

what makes you think the tree God planted was a fallen one?

i wouldn't be so quick to say 'has to'

God is the one authoring 'the rules' -- not one being made subject to them
the only thing that makes them 'rules' is that He spake them.

do we now?

where was Satan when he sinned, again? heaven. so.

we know we won't but that's not the same as it being impossible to do

imagine being in the garden and not eating from the tree of death. imagine going through the rest of today and not giving in to what tempts you. how would that work? what would make that possible? because your arms are chained behind your back or because your heart is righteous?

Hi, posthuman.

The fact that Satan's not in the lake of fire yet doesn't mean that "God gave Satan all the chances in the world to repent" as pittsburghjoe alleged.

God has set forth a specific timeline in relation to both mankind and angels/demons, and, apparently, both Satan and demons are quite aware of this timeline.

For example, in relation to the timeline surrounding demons, we read:

Matthew chapter 8

[28] And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
[29] And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
[30] And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding.
[31] So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
[32] And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

Apparently, demons are quite aware that there is a set time of torment, and they didn't want Jesus to torment them before that time.

Similarly, in relation to Satan, we read:

Revelation chapter 12

[7] And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
[8] And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
[9] And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
[10] And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
[11] And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
[12] Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

I won't go into a long discourse on this portion of scripture right now, but it is my understanding that this war, when it takes place, will usher in what we normally call "the great tribulation" which we're told in several places in scripture will be a timeframe of 3 1/2 years. When Satan and his angels are ultimately cast out of heaven and down to this earth, Satan will "come down...having great wrath, BECAUSE HE KNOWETH THAT HE HATH BUT A SHORT TIME" or 3 1/2 years. Again, my point is that Satan apparently KNOWS God's timeline surrounding certain events. If we were to continue reading elsewhere in Revelation, then we would also ascertain that Satan will be bound for 1,000 years during Christ's Millennial Reign, only to be loosed for another short season, and then ultimately be cast into the lake of fire.

None of these realities even remotely suggest that "God gave Satan all the chances in the world to repent" in that Satan's fate has long been determined. In fact, Jesus said that "everlasting fire" was "prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matt. 25:41) because, again, their fate has long been determined.

As far as II Peter 3:9 is concerned, that verse pertains to humans, and not to angels.

Nowhere in scripture is redemption for angels taught, and the purpose of repentance is to bring one to a place of salvation.

Jesus came in the flesh and died for mankind, and not for angels.

Hebrews chapter 2

[14] Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
[15] And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
[16] For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

In Adam all (mankind) die, and in Christ all (mankind) can be made alive.

Hopefully, you can see this.

In either case, I'm honestly trying to get out of this conversation because I've previously perceived that it's going nowhere, but people keep on quoting past posts of mine here.

These don't imply that God cursed the ground.

"For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly,"
Creation became pointless with satan causing it to fall because no one could be saved.

but because of Him who subjected it in hope;
God forced hope into it by introducing a man with a soul.

because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Umm, yeah, this is what I'm saying. Satan caused the bondage of corruption and we are being delivered away from it.

Okay, but is this about creation?

"And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:"

Did God curse the fallen Earth via cursing satan?

I think Adam was formed from fallen ground.
Sin can be different than cursed. Cursed can be different than fallen.

'For Adam's sake' ..means because of what Adam did. Adam caused himself to be part of this fallen reality.

God didn't accept the fruit of the ground because it was fallen from satan.

Sigh...

Genesis chapter 1

[26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
[28] And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
[29] And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
[30] And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
[31] And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

According to your unbiblical belief, Adam allegedly being formed from fallen ground would constitute God seeing everything that he had made as being VERY GOOD?

Seriously, just give it a rest.

Your stated beliefs here are so far removed from what the scriptures actually teach that it's scary.

I think they were until Jesus came and caused it not to matter anymore.