Was the Garden of Eden, literally Heaven on Earth? Was the Earth already fallen except for the Garden?

this one i can answer without a second thought or hesitation --

Christ is the one who gave everything, and purchased me -- every bit of me, in order to procure what He discerns in me to be treasure. His faithful ones are the pearl of great value, and He is the Merchant on the lookout for choice pearls

So does faith come by reading the scriptures or hearing the audible voice of the Son of God?

The reason I ask is because many believe that faith is an act of their own works since it is written that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. However, if one believes the scriptures that if one is saved by faith then seeing that it is written that "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live." (John 5:25) then does one hear the voice of the author simply by reading the written word?

However, Saul had read the scriptures of the OT yet wasn't saved until he audibly heard a voice while seeing no man on the road to Damascus. So would Paul be considered a Prophet?

Here, let's put some context to that.





looking at this passage as a more complete narrative, rather than an isolated snip, it seems apparent that when the LORD says He speaks to prophets among the people it is in visions and dreams, but to Moses He speaks face to face -- we are not being given a 'definition of a prophet' and we are not being told that Moses is not a prophet.
what we're being told is that 'dreams and visions' is in contrast to how God speaks to Moses, and this is directly related to how this controversy begins, because the LORD has also spoken through both Aaron and Miriam, and they are using this as a pretext to argue with Moses ((while what's at the heart of it is really being upset about Moses's Ethiopian wife)).
so God is not saying "this is definition of prophet, Moses not a prophet"
God is saying that while yes He does speak through Miriam and Aaron too, He does so by dreams and visions -- but Moses He has given greater honor to, so they should to. because the whole episode is couched in the honor of Moses vs the honor of Miriam/Aaron. it's not about "what is a prophet?" it's about who is the greater prophet, and God settles this question by calling attention to how closely He reveals Himself to His servant Moses -- in contrast to how He speaks through **other** prophets. there are plenty of instances of prophets hearing the word of the LORD, written in language that would be awfully strange to use if they hadn't actually heard God. it is one thing to say, the ears of Eli were shut but Samuel's ears were open, and it is another thing to say, even though the scripture says he heard the voice of the God, it really means exactly the opposite, no one can hear God because it is impossible for God to have a voice. ((IMO))

anyway, all scripture is about Jesus Christ. finding how it is speaking of Christ is the key to understanding all of it.

now, revealing Christ in this passage is a matter of no small complexity and goes beyond the initial part of the account that i quoted, having much to do with the leprosy Miriam was struck with and her healing. it would take many thousands of words to discuss it and i don't want to get way off track from the present conversation -- but this is here, Moses typifying Christ vs. everyone else the LORD speaks through. Christ is greater than Moses, and the man Jesus greater than the high priests and greater than John. the high priest prophesied, and John prophesied - and Christ prophesied. but Christ hears and speaks with and sees the Father directly; even He is God Himself dwelling bodily in the man, Jesus.
so if Moses is representing Christ in this account, who are Miriam and Aaron representing? they say that God speaks through them, and God doesn't say otherwise -- nothing in the text indicates that God doesn't. so who does God speak through, that sets themselves up as equal to or even above Christ?
well.
i am sure you have probably met a few people whom God Himself has used and spoken through from time to time, but who at other times in their vanity believe themselves and their opinions equal to if not of greater weight than God's own Word. and Miriam, who does she represent? a woman in scripture is always used as a type of a nation or an ecclesiastical entity. so Miriam here is like Israel, and Aaron like her priests; he is in fact the head of Levi ((Numbers 17:8 e.g.)) -- did not the Pharisees have the same attitude toward the Messiah as Miriam have now here in this passage? and did not God speak through Israel? to her belong the prophets, the testimony, the promises. yet the Messiah is something greater than the temple, greater than the prophets, greater than the law. to compare Him to Moses is like comparing a dream or a vision to being spoken to face-to-face.
and this is what's being said, not that Israel has never had prophets -- not that no one who hears the voice of God is a prophet, or that by hearing His voice you are greater than a prophet. what is being said is that God chooses whom He will, and deals with them as He will: in the immediate context, God chose Moses to lead the people, and Miriam and Aaron were also chosen but should not covet a seat which was not chosen for them. in the greater context of the true meaning of these things, God has given the Messiah Jesus Christ the name which is above all names, that salvation is found in no other. He is the Monogenes, the only begotten son, which is a saying calling Him being unique & singular, beyond compare -- yet He also came to be the 'Firstborn among many brothers' and He shall make us like Him.
we will be as those who dream, rejoicing, and He shall be our Light -- there will be no more sun; we will have no need of it.

This sounds so nice, but its not what it means.

The field is Eden, the heavens world for mankind. The treasure that he found was revelations from GOD, the Words from GOD which are divine, Eucharstic Revelations that contains GOD's genetic substance, that reveals secrets about the kingdom...

So by Revelations the man discovered Eden, the Man discovered how life is there, how the transfigured body is, how the kingdom is, who the rulers of the kingdom are, the Family tree of Mankind, and much more about heaven and the systems of the celestial heavens worlds.

And what he sold to purchase that field is the mortal body that he took from the his biological mothers womb.

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Let me explain a little further. Perhaps i have not been explaining things well enough.

Lets look at the question that someone asked Jesus His Pre-Eminence.

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.



This has been badly misinterpreted over the years because the children of the kingdom have not known the Gospel that Jesus His Pre-Eminence preached.

The man who asked HIM is a jew. And he said he has kept the law all throughout his youth. Jesus His Pre-Eminence says, if thou wilt be perfect, go and sell all you have, give to the poor and thou shalt have treasure in heaven; and come and follow me.

If thou wilt be perfect - Only man is perfect in his perfect state.

Sell all you have - Everything you have is your physical body. When you came into this earth, all you had that is yours is your physical body. To understand this, you need to understand that you are a Spirit Being, you are not your body. GOD speaks from that height. You took body from the womb of your biological mother. You got dressed in the womb where you put on your garment.

So when GOD said this, HE is speaking from the Spirit point. That is why HE said you shall have treasures in heaven. So HE told the man to sell all his mortal endowments for the celestial endowments (meaning the transfigured body), preach the Gospel of everlasting life, and follow HIM. Where did HE go? HE ascended to heaven.

Give to the poor - Preach the Gospel of Ever lasting life to the children of the kingdom which are poor in Spirit.

The man did not understand what Jesus His Pre-Eminence was saying. He thought it means all his goods, its not true. The rich man that cannot enter into heaven is pointing to tares. Why? Because tares are not in a fallen state. Tares are in their exalted state wearing mortal body. So for them, the mortal body is their glorified state. Thus, a tare is a rich man in this earth. The Child of the kingdom is a poor man, because the body he has is his fallen state..

Then if you look at John 3, you will see that Nicodemus didn't ask a question. But Jesus His Pre-Eminence responded like he did. And it was by night that nicodemus came to Jesus His Pre-Eminence. So what was the question that Nicodemus asked?

1There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

9Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? 10Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

It was the question asked that day: Good master, what good thing shall i do that i may have eternal life. Nicodemus came back that night to hear about that message that Jesus His Pre-Eminence preached. Think about it for a second, this is a nation of people that held the Laws of Moses in the highest regard. And Jesus His Pre-Eminence was telling them that the Law is not enough.

This has been further misunderstood by the churches that preach faith and grace, and Christ Crucified. That they saw this as an evidence that they don't need to keep the Law. Yet that is now what Jesus His Pre-Eminence was saying. HE was telling them the same message that saul preached in 1 Cor 15: 50-56

that is why HE said things like: Ye shall pick up serpents and they shall not harm you. Ye shall lay hands on the sick and they shall be healed. (that has to do with how the immortal celestial body can heal the sick just by laying of hands because the immortal body has the regeneration system. And this is not the transfigured body yet, this is the same kind of body that Jesus His Pre-Eminence had after HE resurrected HIMSELF. Ye shall cast out devils in my name, if someone hits you on the left cheek, turn the other cheek to them also. These are things that the Immortal body can do. It is not for mortals to do them.

And the big one, Greater than these shall ye do. What is that? Its living without dying at all. It is preaching the message and dropping the scales from the eyes of the children of the kingdom so that they run their race to immortality in life. It is transfiguring the earth. The people just thought it means they will do the same things. And even those things are fabricated. It is Unjust for GOD to heal as HE did 2000 years ago because they crucified HIM.

Maybe i still haven't explained this well enough yet.

You deleted the ] at the end of my post so I can't see all that you posted.

John said he wasn't Elijah. He was right.

Joh 1:19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
Joh 1:20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.
Joh 1:21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.

Interesting. My laptop might be having a stroke.

Wow. This is pretty amazing. I'll have to update my notes on this apparent "mistake?"

Matthew 17:10-13 NLT - "Then his disciples asked him, "Why do the teachers of religious law insist that Elijah must return before the Messiah comes?" 11 Jesus replied, "Elijah is indeed coming first to get everything ready. 12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, but he wasn't recognized, and they chose to abuse him. And in the same way they will also make the Son of Man suffer." 13 Then the disciples realized he was talking about John the Baptist."

that doesn't even sound very nice, and i'm not 'buying it' ((yay a pun!)) -- you're in contradiction of scripture again, IMO

you can't purchase heaven, even by giving your body

you have shown that my view contradicts your opinion, but can you show it contradicts God's word? we have been 'bought' - purchased by His blood; He is the One who gave Himself for our sake, to redeem - which is, to buy a slave from the market, fully paying their debt in order that they may be free forever. He is not for sale; heaven is not for sale. it is Satan who was cast down for the abundance of His mercantile traffic.

if i am wrong in something, i accept i, tho i won't make it easy to sway me - this is how you will convince me: not through what you have said, but through what God has said.

No paul is not a prophet. It is written: Faith comes from hearing and hearing the word of GOD. But this is more than me telling you that Jesus His Pre-Eminence died on the cross for our sins, there is what the Word of GOD contains in it that when it is assimilated into our Spirit Being, it gives birth to the incorruptible seed. That Incorruptible seed is the Gene of GOD, called Zoe, which is the life force of immortals. GOD's Word is living and active. These are called Revelations, which are Eucharistic. For GOD's Word is food for the Spirit.

Jesus His Pre-Eminence in the similitudes of the Word as revealed by John said: Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. HE said this to a people that were alive. Which means it meant more than what you read. It was pointing to that bread and wine, not that we should take it literally as they did and called it communion, but that we should meditate in GOD's Word, and assimilate HIS Word into our Spirit Being, which gives birth to Zoe cells. GOD is the Grandest Physician. And What proves that, is that HIS Word can immortalise the body of a mortal.

Faith is a Parable, spoken by Jesus His Pre-Eminence. And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

Now i am sure people think they have faith. Do you think you can do this for real?

It is written after all: And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? 8I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

What do you think this means?

Zoe cells is that kind of cell that is a must add seed. Unlike the blood cell system which is the corruptible seed, that can multiply divide, and die. Zoe cells cannot die, or splt, or multiply. Thus, they must be added by assimilating the Word of GOD. GOD was telling Man about the life of the flesh before any doctor. GOD was telling Man that blood is the sin nature, which is why the body is mortal; because of the blood in it before any doctor, and here HE was telling us about the cell system that is immortal.

So death is the mountain that you can remove, and nothing shall be impossible to you.

Now you see why knowledge had to increase, so that we can understand what HE was saying. And the Proof, is that Enoch and Elijah transfigured in life, without dying at all. How did they do it? There is a reason why scientists have been looking into this for many decades, and its because they know Enoch and Elijah transfigured in life. They have been trying to find out how since the tower of babel, that is what they thought they were doing when they were trying to build a tower that reaches Heaven, but it landed them in confusion.

What is the soul? The Soul is what keeps the Spirit Being in the body. If a man loses his soul, it means he died. Because GOD is speaking to the body, church.

Ah great, you quoted that which is not accurate. If i give my body to burned lol saul paul demonstrating again that he wasn't sent nor does he know the path to life. What do you think brought on the sacrificial system? It was the same misunderstanding? Why do you think when they wqere building the tower babel, that they burned the bricks throroughly?

GOD didn't say it, saul said it.

I am preaching the Gospel of Ever lasting life. Whether you accept that or not will not make me stop preaching it. I am not looking for people to believe in it, i am looking for the children of life in this earth, who successfuly crushed death. Its not a matter of convincing you. There are the children of life, and the children of resurrection. Then there is the children of the first resurrection and of the second resurrection.

A child of life will not need convincing, because they are in the similitudes of the Spirit. That means they are not so dominated by their body. It is up to you to seek, just as its up to everyone to seek.

that's an excellent question. but all the things you wrote, Christ did - and an interesting point of grammar is that Greek has more than one word for 'greater' -- there is a word meaning of greater quantity, and a different one meaning of greater quality or importance. it's not the one meaning greater in quantity or scope that He used when He said this.

the Messiah is God manifest in the flesh, and there is nothing you do that you do 'better' than God does.

so any answer to this that involves doing 'more' of the same things Jesus did is wrong simply on the basis of the language, without even touching on the theological arguments. i have heard over 50 sermons on this, from as many preachers. typically preachers say they preach to more people, so they're doing 'greater works' -- that's vanity, and it's false teaching. evangelists say they evangelize more people so they do 'greater works' -- that's vanity & false teaching. and gnostics say they know deeper knowledge so they do 'greater works' -- also vanity, and also false teaching.

but here are some keys to the actual answer, IMO

go and read what Christ actually said in John 14:12. the one who believes Him will do the same works He does, and will do greater works because He goes to the Father. Jesus makes an explicit distinction between doing the same works and doing greater works.
a right understanding of this has to explain why He distinguishes between the same works ((He transforms creation, He opens the eyes of the blind, He opens the heart to understand, He heals the body and the soul, He gives the mind knowledge, He breaks, He creates, He gives life, He blinds, He gives light, He opens, He shuts, etc)) and greater works. a right understanding of this has to explain why he connects greater works with Him being no longer bodily present on earth among us, where He can be seen, heard, touched and felt.

if that were so why would God say don't fear those who can disconnect the soul with the body, but fear instead Him who can destroy the soul after it's been disconnected with the body?
and how would resurrection be possible? you're not annihilated when your body returns to the dust from which it came. because as you said, the person is not merely the body - but the body is part of the person, or it wasn't the Messiah who was crucified. we are not comprised of a singularly modal existence. we have body, we have spirit, and we have soul -- scripture says so, read the Shema, read Genesis 2. the body was formed, the spirit of life was given to it, and man became a living soul, with a physical part and a non-physical part.

I am preaching the Gospel of Everlasting Life.
There be some standing here that did not taste of death.

Because there are the people that can kill in this earth. When that happens, the Spirit Being Programmed in the soul detatches from the physical body and is sucked in to the ghost world called hell, where a child of the kingdom is carried into Abrahams Bosom, a tare is sucked in to the depths of hell.
Then there is the second death, where the Spirit Being of the person in the lake of fire, is separated from the soul.

Jesus His Pre-Eminence did not transfigure the earth. Neither did any that were taught by HIM 2000 years transfigure alive.

So, Jesus did have a beginning. He is still God.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+8:22-31&version=KJV