This gospel shall be preached in all the world and then shall the end come

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throughfaith

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The gospel is about the sinful state of people, what Jesus did to atone for sins, and how God's grace is accessed through faith in Christ.
Yes
For us today 1cor 15 -1-4 . Rom 10 ,9 Eph 1.3 is the good news we preach.

luke 9.6 Gospel did not include what you said here //The gospel is about the sinful state of people, what Jesus did to atone for sins, and how God's grace is accessed through faith in Christ.//

Look at luke 9.6

And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.

6¶And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the GOSPEL , and healing every where.

This is way before the cross and resurrection.

So ' the gospel ' doesn't always mean the DBR for our sins .

Nor does rev 14 say that either.
Gospel means ' good news ' .
Its not a blanket phrase with one meaning . ' Good news ' . About what? is the question to ask .
 

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I think you're misreading is. Verse 7 isnt the verbatim word-for-word gospel. It's just talking about what else the angel will say when the angel brings the gospel.
Really ? Are you not assuming ?
 
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Really ? Are you not assuming ?
Ok I'll post it again so I can take a harder look at it:

Revelation 14:6-7
6And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

The way this reads to me is that the "everlasting gospel" is being preached because judgment is coming. Unless this gospel is how to receive God's grace then the people who hear won't really find it useful.

What other everlasting gospel is there?
 

throughfaith

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I think you're misreading is. Verse 7 isnt the verbatim word-for-word gospel. It's just talking about what else the angel will say when the angel brings the gospel.
I think you're misreading is. Verse 7 isnt the verbatim word-for-word gospel. It's just talking about what else the angel will say when the angel brings the gospel.
Luke 9.6 says ' gospel ' We know this isn't the DBR for our sins.
 

throughfaith

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Ok I'll post it again so I can take a harder look at it:

Revelation 14:6-7
6And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

The way this reads to me is that the "everlasting gospel" is being preached because judgment is coming. Unless this gospel is how to receive God's grace then the people who hear won't really find it useful.

What other everlasting gospel is there?
7Saying with a loud voice, fear God , and give glory to him ; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
 

Pilgrimshope

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I prefer to be as literal with the Bible as possible unless it's annotated of inferred that figurative language is being used. For example, Jesus would sometimes say when He was speaking literally of figuratively.

Since the Bible uses examples of angels literally appearing to people to give them messages then why can't a literal angel appear to give the message of the gospel to everyone?

I don't think it's fair to assign meaning to Bible passages that is not explicitly stated. Jesus said the gospel will be preached to everyone before the end in Matthew 24 and Revelation 14 says an angel will preach the gospel to everyone before the end so that's what I'm going with.

Why can't Satan be a dragon or a snake? According to Ezekiel 10 the appearance of angels are described: they appear to be human/animal hybrids. Why can't Satan have animal characteristics as well? Is that just figurative language too?

Again, I prefer to be as literal as possible. We can make the Bible mean anything we want it to mean if we aren't in some sort of agreement on how to read it.
Yes I believe taking revelation as a physical literal book of earthly events is not the way to Look at it so your right maybe we wouldn’t be able to agree .

I’m looking at this and saying this makes it quite different from an epistle instructing the church , or an account of the gospel as it looks from our perspective this to me makes revelation very different

“After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭4:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I believe John was translated in the spirit and taken into heaven to see the revelation . Where’s the majority of the rest of scripture is seen from the perspective of earth.

Johns vision is awesome in scope and subject matter but I do believe it to be more spiritually discerned than any other book in the Bible because it is a spiritual vision John was in the spirit when he received it called up
Into heaven to see these wonders and communicate his vision to the earth

all of his vision has roots in prior prophecy like Daniel , Ezekiel , zechariah , and Isaiah . Even the mosaic law roots some of the revelation. It’s comprehensive view of Gods plan showing us heaven and how heaven spills into earth like the war in heaven , becomes a war on earth ect

but anyways it’s alright if you don’t agree it’s just my own thinking I’m no expert . God bless bro
 

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Ok I'll post it again so I can take a harder look at it:

Revelation 14:6-7
6And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

The way this reads to me is that the "everlasting gospel" is being preached because judgment is coming. Unless this gospel is how to receive God's grace then the people who hear won't really find it useful.

What other everlasting gospel is there?
You are expecting another gospel in the future preached by an angel ?
 

Nehemiah6

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Does it say that this must occur through human effort?
Who else will preach the Gospel other than human beings? Who was commissioned to preach the Gospel -- men or angels? Yes, Christians will need to work diligently in having the Gospel preached and heard throughout the world, particularly at this time, when the Gospel is being opposed mightily. While an angel will proclaim the Eternal Gospel during the Tribulation and Great Tribulation, men must preach the Gospel until that time.
 

Pilgrimshope

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If by "another gospel" you mean a different gospel than the one Jesus preached then no. There's only one gospel that saves.
okay thanks for clarifying . So your saying the gospel Jesus preached is at some point going to be preached by an angel from heaven ?
 
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It is. It is also the same person in Rev 18:4, and Rev 10:7

7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Will we understand who God is via Science?
 
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If by "another gospel" you mean a different gospel than the one Jesus preached then no. There's only one gospel that saves.
The column on the right states the gospel that Jesus and the 12 preached. Do you preached that same gospel today?

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The column on the right states the gospel that Jesus and the 12 preached. Do you preached that same gospel today?

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I find numerous theological issues with that chart so I'm not going to commit to an answer because my response would be a short novel.

I'll respond to one point then call it done:

"Reconciliation not mentioned."

Matthew 26:28
28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Colossians 1:20
20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Paul believes that forgiveness of sins through the blood of Jesus Christ reconciles us to God. If forgiveness isn't tantamount to reconciliation then it isn't forgiveness.

Reconciliation is absolutely mentioned as a core theme in the New Testament. This is very important to understand.
 
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Matthew 24:14
14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

I often hear that a sign of the end will be when the Gospel of Jesus Christ is preached to all nations.

Does it say that this must occur through human effort?

Revelation 14:6-7
6And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

In Revelation chapter 14 it says that an angel will preach the Gospel to to everyone on the earth, every nation, kindred, tongue, and people. So every single last person will receive the gospel.

While we do have a command to fulfill the Great Commission (Matt 28:16-20) it is not about bringing in the end of the world.

The gospel must be preached to everyone, the living and the dead, so they can be judged according to their response to the Gospel.

1 Peter 4:5-6
5But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. 6For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

In conclusion, it is not people who will ultimately reach every soul, living and dead, with the Gospel of Christ even though we are helping. This task will be completed by a literal angel of God in preparation for the Harvest of the Earth (Revelation 14:24-20)
I believe Jesus is talking about the great commission. He is prophesying of what will happen when the church preaches the Gospel in response to obedience to His command that he will give them later. The angel in John's vision could be a symbolic representation of the fact that it had been completed.

One might think that humans are going to look up in the sky and see a flying angel preach the gospel to them but I don't think that is what the message was meant to convey to John when he saw this in his vision. It was a vision, a symbolic representation of something theological and big picture thinking. Maybe the end of the Great Commission had been accomplished. Maybe that Angel is representing an entire church age of activity.

Certainly we have angels helping us even now in carrying out this Great commission. John may have been seeing what we don't see happening even now. We are doing the preaching but the Holy Spirit is empowering and the host of heaven it ministering to us in our efforts, unseen but commissioned by God to be ministering spirits to those who are heirs of salvation and why not an appointed chief angel going about helping us in our endeavors which Johns eyes were opened to like Elijah's servant.

This mission must be nearing completion. With John Paul Chau having attempted to reach the last contacted people of the North Sentenilese, having been killed without establishing any real communication, yet attempting with an open bible to preach the gospel to them, did that count? Their conscience bearing witness, either excusing or accusing them I am sure that they feel accused by it since they know better than to kill a man who posed no real threat and they have this God given conscience that they should not kill him but did so anyway, they may very well be considered preached to. Since they should have given the man time to establish communication but killed him for no reason it cannot be said that God did not send someone to present the Gospel to them.

And if they are the only uncontacted people left on earth then the mission is well night completed. Angel or no, the task is almost done. I know that we are still called to keep up the effort since everyday there are people in your community in a Gospel saturated society who have kept them selves isolated from the discussion of Jesus and religion and have no clue what the cross is all about other than for jewelry. And so there are always "unreached" people who have never heard the gospel explained, but are there "unreached Nations?" That must be getting rare.


13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

And the gospel must first be published among all nations. 11But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.



8 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go [c]therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” [d]Amen.



15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.



Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth--to every nation, tribe, language and people
 

Nehemiah6

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One might think that humans are going to look up in the sky and see a flying angel preach the gospel to them but I don't think that is what the message was meant to convey to John when he saw this in his vision.
Actually, in the context of that passage there will be a literal flying angel literally preaching the eternal Gospel to all mankind at that time. This is during the Tribulation period: And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting Gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. (Rev 14:6,7)

Note: "hour" means period of time in this context.
 

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I find numerous theological issues with that chart so I'm not going to commit to an answer because my response would be a short novel.

I'll respond to one point then call it done:

"Reconciliation not mentioned."

Matthew 26:28
28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Colossians 1:20
20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Paul believes that forgiveness of sins through the blood of Jesus Christ reconciles us to God. If forgiveness isn't tantamount to reconciliation then it isn't forgiveness.

Reconciliation is absolutely mentioned as a core theme in the New Testament. This is very important to understand.
Yes it’s the main theme of the entire story from genesis when we were created , then broke faith with God and cursed the earth . Through Christ were now being reconciled to God by the spirit. Through Jesus death and our faith in him.

completely agree a main concept is reconciliation . The repairing of a prior existing relationship
 
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I find numerous theological issues with that chart so I'm not going to commit to an answer because my response would be a short novel.

I'll respond to one point then call it done:

"Reconciliation not mentioned."

Matthew 26:28
28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Colossians 1:20
20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Paul believes that forgiveness of sins through the blood of Jesus Christ reconciles us to God. If forgiveness isn't tantamount to reconciliation then it isn't forgiveness.

Reconciliation is absolutely mentioned as a core theme in the New Testament. This is very important to understand.
Yes, so Paul talks about reconciliation, you are referring to the left column in that picture.

Matthew 26:28 is saying that Christ blood made possible the new covenant with Israel, but until Israel is willing to accept Jesus as their Messiah as they did in Exodus 24 for the Old covenant, there will be no reconciliation.

They will only be reconciled after Christ return for them in his 2nd coming