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tribesman

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Luke 9.6

6¶And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.

Saying absolutely nothing about the DBR .

This is the problem with systematic theology like Calvinism. We can clearly see here they are preaching a DIFFERENT good news and folks be like" nah they still were preaching the DBR ..It has to match my paradigm "
Ya. you prefer your own private unsystematical theology. I see that. It's not calvinism you argue with, it's the Word of God.
 

tribesman

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I can read a collection of proof texts stacked on top of each other as if they say what you think they do ..Your tracking back to covenantal theology in each response .
And you ignore scripture and hold to your own little private world. This "discussion" is in the cul-de-sac.
 

tribesman

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The 12 did not believe IN the DBR . As Jesus told them . They didn't believe the resurrection, even with an empty tomb . THE ones closest to him . The ones he taught .
What is wrong with people? how are folks missing this point ? OK so try this experiment .
32For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:

33And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

Ok let's just take one element of the Gospel we see in this verse and of course explained in 1 cor 15 . 1-4 .
Let's take the "and the third day he shall rise again." ok now look at thier response .
34¶And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

ok so question . Just on ONE element of the DBR , the resurrection.
Can a person be saved TODAY if they do not believe the resurrection?
And remember the 12 did not believe in The Death , burial OR the resurrection. I'm only dealing with one part her to keep it simple .
Man, I leave you with your lunacies.
 

throughfaith

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Ya. you prefer your own private unsystematical theology. I see that. It's not calvinism you argue with, it's the Word of God.
Yet here i am continuing to go to the Scriptures.
 

Platosgal

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The term ' walk away ' is figurative of course ,so how does that figure in the way we are saved today? ' walking away ' . We can imagine this in a marriage perhaps ,because we can physically do so ? Also in other religions we can imagine this also. As in stop attending the Jehovah witness meeting s ect . Renounce Islam ect . But we know these are 'commitment based , attendance observing, practising, dedicating, pledging allegiance kind of systems. To remain 'in 'you must keep 'attending ' or keep 'practicing ect . How does this ( walking away ) apply to how we are saved today . Thats my question?
I am saying
Itsnot possible to walk away from God if ypu belong to him
You can fail
Ypu can get to the end of a sin and admit defeat and surrender that sin to the cross
You can get distracted, tempted, etc

But if you are truly Gods
He will not let you go

My suggestioon
Is if a "Christian" walks away
He never Truly knew Christ
And was never HiS to begin with
 

Truth7t7

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#67
It is Impossible to "walk away"
That would infer
" Free Will" in the way the secular humanists assume it

God is our creator, our author
And HE is faithful to complete the work HE has started..

If a "believer" falls..it is not for us to judge in any direction if the believer is even A Believer and what the Creator God is doing with that life

If one has concern for a "backslider" its not our job to judge
At all

We are not so powerful in our sin or minds
To negate the Cross
1 Corinthians 5:7-13KJV
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
 

tribesman

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There are two things to see here:

1. Only God knows who is truly His, whom He have chosen. Of these He will lose none.

2.. The Word of God does talk about apostasy and people who fall away.
 

throughfaith

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There are two things to see here:

1. Only God knows who is truly His, whom He have chosen. Of these He will lose none.

2.. The Word of God does talk about apostasy and people who fall away.
// . Only God knows who is truly His,///
Gal 4

6¶And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

7Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

8¶Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

9But now after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God , how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
whom He have chosen. Of these He will lose none.

Notice when the bible tells us when we are known by God v Augustine . Its as a son when we are in Christ .
 

Platosgal

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#73
There are two things to see here:

1. Only God knows who is truly His, whom He have chosen. Of these He will lose none.

2.. The Word of God does talk about apostasy and people who fall away.

Correct

Therefore- if someone is apostate OR
"Walks Away"
The scripture " Depart from me I ever knew you" applies