Is Jesus New Covenant or New "Law"?

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Did Jesus Fulfill ALL the Law and the Prophets (at Crucifixion)?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 66.7%
  • No

    Votes: 5 33.3%
  • I do not know

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
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2ndTimothyGroup

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You replied to my question to another person, so I was just trying to clarify whether you were answering the same question, or you were making a separate point.

So which is it?
You've done it but again. We'll have to stop having discussion. Take care.
 

Hevosmies

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So you do agree the House of Israel and the House of Judah, the current Israel that we see now on the world map, never accepted the New Covenant.

So the promise in Hebrews 8:8-12 is still a future event for them, as of now.

Unless, of course, you take the popular doctrine that the current Body of Christ is the Israel that Hebrews 8:8-12 was talking about.
They accepted the new Covenant. EVER HEARD OF THE APOSTLES? All JEWS and of the HOUSE OF ISRAEL, and the 3000 that were added on Pentecost. Many many of them did accept it.
 

throughfaith

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If God gave "temporary" guidance, not based on His eternal principles, then it would make His scripture telling us God doesn't change, and that God is eternal not the truth.

The Jews copied the heathens in feeding what they told was God with blood.

The Lord said there was no forgiveness without blood, and that God gave blood on the altar for souls. (Lev. 17:11) The blood of animals was either a shadow of that blood of Christ for the forgiveness of sins or God hated it. The belief that there was nothing of God in the sacrificial system is to misrepresent the Lord. The sacrificial system was given by our holy God.
The blood of animals did not give redemption..Only remission .
 
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They accepted the new Covenant. EVER HEARD OF THE APOSTLES? All JEWS and of the HOUSE OF ISRAEL, and the 3000 that were added on Pentecost. Many many of them did accept it.
3000+ Jews are not the nation of Israel, its a remnant of Israel, as Paul stated in Romans 11.
 

throughfaith

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I cast a vote for "no" because anytime Jesus Circumcises the Heart of a person, the Law has been "fulfilled." This is what happened to Abraham (for example), that he was set apart from any Law, hence he is our Father of Faith. And when Jesus said to those who were performing righteous deeds in the Name of Christ, "Get away from me you lawbreakers," it is because He had yet to have Circumcised their Heart as perfectly described in Colossians 2:9-15. It is the Circumcision of Christ who / that fulfills the Law . . . nothing else.
Do you believe Abraham had col 2. happen to him ?
9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

11¶In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
 

Hevosmies

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3000+ Jews are not the nation of Israel, its a remnant of Israel, as Paul stated in Romans 11.
You are right about that. I have to admit it this time.

That still does not explain WHAT COVENANT are you and I under. There must be SOME covenant. Perhaps the ABRAHAMIC ONE as Paul states in Galatians? Paul is your guy!

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 
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You are right about that. I have to admit it this time.

That still does not explain WHAT COVENANT are you and I under. There must be SOME covenant. Perhaps the ABRAHAMIC ONE as Paul states in Galatians? Paul is your guy!

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
We are saved by being in the Body of Christ, purely by God's grace (Ephesians 1:7)

We are not saved by being in any covenant, Old or New. Don't take from Israel and claim for your own.
 

Hevosmies

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We are saved by being in the Body of Christ, purely by God's grace (Ephesians 1:7)

We are not saved by being in any covenant, Old or New. Don't take from Israel and claim for your own.
Did you read the Galatians verses? ITs your guy PAUL putting us into Abraham's promises, us the gentiles.
 
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Did you read the Galatians verses? ITs your guy PAUL putting us into Abraham's promises, us the gentiles.
God made a covenant with Abraham yes, and it was by faith alone yes.

That is similar to how we are saved into the body of Christ, by faith alone. That was why Paul mentioned Abraham

That does not mean the 2 are equivalent
 

Hevosmies

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God made a covenant with Abraham yes, and it was by faith alone yes.

That is similar to how we are saved into the body of Christ, by faith alone. That was why Paul mentioned Abraham

That does not mean the 2 are equivalent
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Stop the Israel worship man! Its DISGUSTING!
 

Hevosmies

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Who is worshipping Israel?
Everytime I or someone posts a verse, you say ISRAEL ISRAEL ISRAEL ISRAEL. Nothing in the Bible is to you and everyone else is stealing promises. We are "stealing promises" because the New testament tells us its our promises! . I post something from GALATIANS and even THAT isnt to you? You just deleted the verse by saying "Yeah he was saved by faith just like us" but Paul says we if we are in Christ, are HEIRS of Abraham, according to the PROMISE made to him! Thats COVENANT language, confirmed by:

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

1. Covenant was never made with Abraham's descendants in PLURAL, but SEED singular, meaning Jesus Christ.
2. This was made BEFORE the law was given.
 
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Everytime I or someone posts a verse, you say ISRAEL ISRAEL ISRAEL ISRAEL. Nothing in the Bible is to you and everyone else is stealing promises. We are "stealing promises" because the New testament tells us its our promises! . I post something from GALATIANS and even THAT isnt to you? You just deleted the verse by saying "Yeah he was saved by faith just like us" but Paul says we if we are in Christ, are HEIRS of Abraham, according to the PROMISE made to him! Thats COVENANT language, confirmed by:

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

1. Covenant was never made with Abraham's descendants in PLURAL, but SEED singular, meaning Jesus Christ.
2. This was made BEFORE the law was given.
The New Covenant was promised to Israel in Jeremiah 31:31 and Hebrews 8:8.

Don't steal that promise to them and make it ours.

That is what I was saying.
 

throughfaith

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The New Covenant was promised to Israel in Jeremiah 31:31 and Hebrews 8:8.

Don't steal that promise to them and make it ours.

That is what I was saying.
I think its worse than that. Everone is The jews , everyone is Israel, Everyone is whoever Jesus spoke to , everyone is in the red letters everyone is Abraham, Everyone is King David , Everyone is Gideon, Job , Ester , Ruth, Naomi, Peter ( especially the pope ) ,Paul ( everyone is on the road to Damascus , No ones Demas and everyone is the Philippine church..