Jesus foretells Peter and John's death

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MOC

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In the last chapter of the book of John, Jesus speaks of Peter and John's death. There were seven disciples that had gone fishing on this particular night and had caught nothing. They spot Jesus walking along the shore, not recognizing Him at first. After Jesus tells them where to cast their nets, the group caught a "multitude" of fish and then ate with Jesus at breakfast. It is during this time that Peter finds out about his "obituary notice" and immediately wants to know John's fate. There is some confusion as to what our Lord said concerning John's death. Jesus never said how John dies, but His response to Peter's question implies John will live a long life.

John 21:18-19 Jesus says to Peter, "when thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not." Jesus explains to Peter that before his discipleship he could go wherever he wanted. Now, because of his belief and commitment to Jesus, "another" will take him captive and would lead to his death.

John 21:20-23 Upon seeing John, Peter asks Jesus, "what shall this man do?" Jesus says to Peter, "If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? Follow thou me." Jesus is wanting Peter to be focused more on serving Him. If Jesus desires for John to still be alive when He returns, it shouldn't matter to Peter. In verse 23, "Jesus said not unto him, he shall not die." Here, John seems to put to rest a commonly believed notion amongst the disciples, that he(John) would never die. So, John did outlive all of the other disciples, but died a natural death.

Jesus predicts the manner of Peter's death. Jesus' response to Peter's death was more straight forward. Jesus says that when Peter reached old age, he would stretch out his hands and be led to where he did not want to go, verse 18. The phrase, "stretch out your hands", was a common way of alluding to crucifixion in ancient times. Late tradition suggests that Peter was crucified upside down in Rome by Nero around A.D. 68, however it is questionable since it is not recorded until the fourth century. As for John's death. Even though Jesus never stated exactly how John would die, it is the manner in which He answers Peter's question that tells us John would live a long life and die naturally. As stated earlier, John may have a recorded this account to counteract a commonly believed notion that Jesus predicted that John would NOT die. Most scholars believe that all the other disciples were dead by the time John had written this Gospel.
 

oyster67

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I think Jesus wanted them to focus more on Him and less on each other.

Matthew
20:20 Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping [him], and desiring a certain thing of him.
20:21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.
20:22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but [it shall be given to them] for whom it is prepared of my Father.
20:24 And when the ten heard [it], they were moved with indignation against the two brethren.
 

Platosgal

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It's my favorite scripture
Jesus literally invented the phrase
"What's it to you,"
Basically
You focus on your own path
And don't compare yourself to others

Jesus was being sarcastic
Which is awesome
 
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Live4Him

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Apparently, the Lord later revealed to Peter the timing of his death as well.

II Peter chapter 1

[13] Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;
[14] Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.
[15] Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance.

As an aside, realities such as this should "put to death" (I couldn't resist) this whole "imminent return of Jesus" nonsense or the notion that Jesus could return at any given moment. The Bible makes it perfectly clear that certain events need to transpire PRIOR TO Christ's return.

Like Peter, Paul knew that he was going to die before Christ's return.

II Timothy chapter 4

[6] For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
[7] I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
[8] Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

If anybody tells you that Peter, Paul, or any of the other apostles taught "the imminent return of Christ", then know of a certainty that they are lying to you.