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Since being on CC , I would say these are the main issues that are at the heart of the confusion within the church. Here are just some of the main errors ,I believe :
1 ) Old Testament salvation and New Testament salvation are the same
2) Teaching the Church will go through Daniel’s Seventieth Week.
3) Loss of salvation during the church age .
4) The book of Acts used for doctrines
5) Acts 2.38 as the plan of salvation for today
6) Lordship salvation
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Probably every writer here would change this list. I certainly would.
 
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throughfaith said:
Since being on CC , I would say these are the main issues that are at the heart of the confusion within the church. Here are just some of the main errors ,I believe :
1 ) Old Testament salvation and New Testament salvation are the same
2) Teaching the Church will go through Daniel’s Seventieth Week.
3) Loss of salvation during the church age .
4) The book of Acts used for doctrines
5) Acts 2.38 as the plan of salvation for today
6) Lordship salvation
Thoughts?
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I'm in agreement on the first five. Not sure what you mean in #6 regarding Lordship salvation.
I mean when we receive Jesus, He comes both as Lord and Savior. We can't split him up.
 
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throughfaith said:
Since being on CC , I would say these are the main issues that are at the heart of the confusion within the church. Here are just some of the main errors ,I believe :
1 ) Old Testament salvation and New Testament salvation are the same
2) Teaching the Church will go through Daniel’s Seventieth Week.
3) Loss of salvation during the church age .
4) The book of Acts used for doctrines
5) Acts 2.38 as the plan of salvation for today
6) Lordship salvation
Thoughts?
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Could you tell us where you stand on these 6 issues?
 
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Without having any malice towards you whatsoever, but only genuine concern for your well-being, I honestly think that you should forsake trying to be a teacher, and learn how to become a better student.

Your belief system is really fouled up.
 
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I'm not sure what you mean in #1.

Salvation in both OT and NT is by faith ... see Eph 4:5 and also Hebrews 11.

I do not see that there was a different "faith" in OT than there is in NT ... or a different "salvation" in OT than in NT.

I see the difference in OT/NT more in light of the approach to the Father. We still have a High Priest, but our High Priest is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens (Heb 7:25) ... He is now seated in the heavenly holy of holies and He ever lives to make intercession for us, and we have boldness and access through Him. Also He dwells in us ... much, much closer than OT high priests.

Under OC (which was only a shadow of things to come), the high priest could enter the holy of holies only once each year ... he offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect (Heb 9:9). The people did not come near ... they stood afar off (see Ex 24:1).

hope/pray this makes sense and I'm getting my point across ...



 
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throughfaith said:
4) The book of Acts used for doctrines 5) Acts 2.38 as the plan of salvation for today 6) Lordship salvation
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These are not errors, and you are the one in error. So it is time to SHAPE UP. Are you ready for a theological Spring Cleaning?
 
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crossnote said:
I'm in agreement on the first five. Not sure what you mean in #6 regarding Lordship salvation.
I mean when we receive Jesus, He comes both as Lord and Savior. We can't split him up.
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If all that Lordship salvation meant, was that Jesus is Lord then great . But it isn't that.
 
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Live4Him said:
Without having any malice towards you whatsoever, but only genuine concern for your well-being, I honestly think that you should forsake trying to be a teacher, and learn how to become a better student.

Your belief system is really fouled up.
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If you believe all 6 then I can see why you would disagree ??
 
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throughfaith said:
Since being on CC , I would say these are the main issues that are at the heart of the confusion within the church. Here are just some of the main errors ,I believe :
1 ) Old Testament salvation and New Testament salvation are the same
2) Teaching the Church will go through Daniel’s Seventieth Week.
3) Loss of salvation during the church age .
4) The book of Acts used for doctrines
5) Acts 2.38 as the plan of salvation for today
6) Lordship salvation
Thoughts?
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I'm in agreement with you on how salvation is not lordship salvation and also that salvation is eternally secure. That I stand with you on.. but I have to say that eternal salvation was the same OT and NT. The difference was the method of service.. not the way of being saved.

OT saints looked forward to the Messiah, placing their faith in Him, getting saved by grace. Their method of service though was by the OT covenant with sacrifices of animals and the cleanliness laws etc..

NT saints look back at Christ's finished work, placing their faith in Him, getting saved by grace. Their method of service though is by service in the New Testament local church with all that entails.
 
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wattie said:
I'm in agreement with you on how salvation is not lordship salvation and also that salvation is eternally secure. That I stand with you on.. but I have to say that eternal salvation was the same OT and NT. The difference was the method of service.. not the way of being saved.

OT saints looked forward to the Messiah, placing their faith in Him, getting saved by grace. Their method of service though was by the OT covenant with sacrifices of animals and the cleanliness laws etc..

NT saints look back at Christ's finished work, placing their faith in Him, getting saved by grace. Their method of service though is by seice in the New Testament local church with all that entails.
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But which verse says they were eternally secure in the OT ? And yes they were looking Forward ,but not to the things and appropriation in the same way . Seth for example did not believe what you believed for salvation.
 
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Live4Him said:
Without having any malice towards you whatsoever, but only genuine concern for your well-being, I honestly think that you should forsake trying to be a teacher, and learn how to become a better student.

Your belief system is really fouled up.
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Yes I'm always encouraged by your warmth , gentleness and heart felt concern lol 😆
 
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throughfaith said:
Yes I'm always encouraged by your warmth , gentleness and heart felt concern lol 😆
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It's not a laughing matter.

You're literally an unlearned heretic.

If you don't believe me, then just humble yourself before God and ask him.
 
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While some of those are correct I don't think that they are the greatest problem we have. Since 1945 Christianity has dropped from about 2/3 of the population to less than half here in America. There are many contributing factors, from lack of serious education to straight out irrevence for the Holiness of God, from church leaders.
 
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throughfaith said:
But which verse says they were eternally secure in the OT ? And yes they were looking Forward ,but not to the things and appropriation in the same way . Seth for example did not believe what you believed for salvation.
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How do you know what Seth believed? Do you know what God told Adam? ... who then taught his children?

Job 19:25-26 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God

Who taught Job these truths?


 
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