Are God’s promises to Israel for all Christians?

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Blik

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1 Cor. 1:20 “All the promises of God find their yes in him (Christ). That is why we utter our Amen to God for His glory”.

Christians, through Christ, are the true Israel. In Philippians 3:3 Paul, speaking to gentiles, tells us “For we are the circumcision”.

Christ made changes, but Christ did not change God not the promises God made. No man is a high priest, Christ is our high priest. There is no earthly temple, we are the temple. The kingdom of God is not symbolically shown as the camp in the wilderness symbolized the kingdom, the kingdom is among us. No fleshly circumcision is required, our circumcision is of the heart. The laws of our Lord are no longer only literal laws, but are laws of the spirit.

The most important change that Christ made to the old testament was those three days He was dead in the flesh and alive inn the spirit. No longer are we to use the symbolic blood of Christ by sacrificing animals, Christ gave His blood for our sins.

The promises God gave to Israel in the old testament are still in effect today for those adopted into Israel through Christ.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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1 Cor. 1:20 “All the promises of God find their yes in him (Christ). That is why we utter our Amen to God for His glory”.

Christians, through Christ, are the true Israel. In Philippians 3:3 Paul, speaking to gentiles, tells us “For we are the circumcision”.

Christ made changes, but Christ did not change God not the promises God made. No man is a high priest, Christ is our high priest. There is no earthly temple, we are the temple. The kingdom of God is not symbolically shown as the camp in the wilderness symbolized the kingdom, the kingdom is among us. No fleshly circumcision is required, our circumcision is of the heart. The laws of our Lord are no longer only literal laws, but are laws of the spirit.

The most important change that Christ made to the old testament was those three days He was dead in the flesh and alive in the spirit. No longer are we to use the symbolic blood of Christ by sacrificing animals, Christ gave His blood for our sins.

The promises God gave to Israel in the old testament are still in effect today for those adopted into Israel through Christ.
Wow. I can't believe someone gets it. Nice work, Blik!
 
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1 Cor. 1:20 “All the promises of God find their yes in him (Christ). That is why we utter our Amen to God for His glory”.

Christians, through Christ, are the true Israel. In Philippians 3:3 Paul, speaking to gentiles, tells us “For we are the circumcision”.

Christ made changes, but Christ did not change God not the promises God made. No man is a high priest, Christ is our high priest. There is no earthly temple, we are the temple. The kingdom of God is not symbolically shown as the camp in the wilderness symbolized the kingdom, the kingdom is among us. No fleshly circumcision is required, our circumcision is of the heart. The laws of our Lord are no longer only literal laws, but are laws of the spirit.

The most important change that Christ made to the old testament was those three days He was dead in the flesh and alive inn the spirit. No longer are we to use the symbolic blood of Christ by sacrificing animals, Christ gave His blood for our sins.

The promises God gave to Israel in the old testament are still in effect today for those adopted into Israel through Christ.
My boss promised me to give me my wages at the end of the month.

He also promised my co-worker to give him his wages at the end of the month.

All the promises he made regarding wages find their yes in the country's manpower laws, regarding workman compensation.

Therefore, I am also entitled to the wages of my co-workers.

Discuss the validity of this argument.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Why are Christians living in Palestine and enjoying the peace, the fruit and the security which was promised to Israel, if all that was promised israelbelongs to us?
 

Nehemiah6

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The promises God gave to Israel in the old testament are still in effect today for those adopted into Israel through Christ.
"Some promises" is more accurate than "the promises". The promise of occupying the land between the Nile and the Euphrates is only for those descended from the 12 tribes of Israel. The same applies to the redemption and restoration of believing Israel and Jerusalem after the Second Coming of Christ. But all promises under the New Covenant are for all Christians.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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"Some promises" is more accurate than "the promises". The promise of occupying the land between the Nile and the Euphrates is only for those descended from the 12 tribes of Israel. The same applies to the redemption and restoration of believing Israel and Jerusalem after the Second Coming of Christ. But all promises under the New Covenant are for all Christians.
Unlikely that this about "some promises." Consider the passage below:

Galatians 3:14 KJV - "That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith."

The physical Promised Holy Land is a shadow of what is to come in Heaven, the [True] Promised Holy Land. Looking at Gal 3:14 above, the Promised Land in its physical form was never intended for the Gentiles. Never. Therefore, we know for sure that the Promises are those of Eternity. What is the Primary Promise that is given to all?"

Colossians 2:9-15 KJV - "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it."

The Promises of Abraham lead the way with "Circumcision of the Heart."

Romans 4:16 NLT - "So the promise is received by faith. It is given as a free gift. And we are all certain to receive it, whether or not we live according to the law of Moses, if we have faith like Abraham's. For Abraham is the father of all who believe."

The Promise is that God would change the Hearts of His True Children . . . foretold in the Old Testament.

Ezekiel 11:19-20 NLT - "And I will give them singleness of heart and put a new spirit within them. I will take away their stony, stubborn heart and give them a tender, responsive heart, 20 so they will obey my decrees and regulations. Then they will truly be my people, and I will be their God."

This is reiterated in chapter 36:

Ezekiel 36:25-27 NLT - "Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. Your filth will be washed away, and you will no longer worship idols. 26 And I will give you a new heart, and I will put a new spirit in you. I will take out your stony, stubborn heart and give you a tender, responsive heart. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you so that you will follow my decrees and be careful to obey my regulations."

This is merely a start to this Core Doctrine of the Bible, for, this is what the entire Bible is about.
 

Nehemiah6

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The physical Promised Holy Land is a shadow of what is to come in Heaven..
Not so. The book of Ezekiel is VERY SPECIFIC AND DETAILED. Redeemed and restored Israel will indeed occupy the land between the Nile and the Euphrates on earth, Jerusalem with be redeemed and restored, and God will have His ultimate and perfect temple in that city.

Now here is the promise to Abraham and the twelve tribes:
In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites. (Gen 15:18-21)

Israel has never occupied the land between the Nile and the Euphrates (about 10 times the size of modern Israel). So that there would be no misunderstanding Jacob (father of the 12 tribes) was given the same promise through Isaac: And God Almighty bless thee, and make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, that thou mayest be a multitude of people; And give thee the blessing of Abraham, to thee, and to thy seed with thee; that thou mayest inherit the land wherein thou art a stranger, which God gave unto Abraham... (Gen 28:3,4)

And to ensure that people like you would not mistake God's promises, God repeated this promise directly to Jacob: And God said unto him [Jacob], I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins; And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land. (Gen 35:11,12).
 

Truth7t7

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"Some promises" is more accurate than "the promises". The promise of occupying the land between the Nile and the Euphrates is only for those descended from the 12 tribes of Israel. The same applies to the redemption and restoration of believing Israel and Jerusalem after the Second Coming of Christ. But all promises under the New Covenant are for all Christians.
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