Real pandemic vs fake pandemic

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BarneyplusBarneyBuckets said:
POINT 1- Many people know someone who has caught it- you are in the minority here.

POINT 2- In the UK we had to open up make-shift hospitals such as the Nightingale. Maybe there were empty beds in cancer wards and such but thats because we put the focus on COVID and neglected cancer patients- a cancer ward isnt the place for a COVID patient.

POINT 3- There are many many dead people- mortality rates have gone up.

POINT 4- Different people are running the country- contextual relevance also needs taking into account- during the Spanish flu there wasn't a media frenzy or crazy people on twitter nor tv shows trying to slate everybody and their views/ leadership.

POINT 5- any old random person can't help to treat COVID. Medicine has advanced since the Spanish flu and thus now more than ever requires qualified professionals- there is a reason it takes years to be a Doctor. A lot of peopler in the Spanish Flu days needed to help out at factories- factories are now partially automated and need less staff to run so thus less people need to help if the workers get sick.

POINT 6- Do you understand how Capitalism works? It is more prevalent than ever.

POINT 7- Perhaps we have more scientific knowledge then we did during the Spanish Flu- COVID is new and so we discover more about it everyday and the scientific advices changes to match. We have more scientists than we did then and they now have an easy platform- the internet- of course there are differing opinions. We all want a quick end to this pandemic and a return to normality, some people are just too selfish to follow advice and keep others safe.

POINT 8- I think the majority of people with a reasonable IQ are more concerned about death than a fine they might incur in the unlikely event they get caught breaking regulations.

POINT 9- Fights over toilet paper was due to panic- it was also massively exaggerated by the media. Do you really expect people to stay calm at the beginning of a pandemic when we are fighting an unknown virus?
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Oh i thought this was another thread. You've actually addressed all the point in the OP.
I don't think anyone else did that so, credit. Lets go through them.

1/ The point is that EVERYONE should know someone that has died from it. Or at least had it

2 Fair enough. In Australia our hospitals were empty. Pandemic is worldwide remember. Epidemic is local

3/ In the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand the total deaths have gone down compared to recent years.

4/ Its more of an opinion this one i guess. For me, the media have hyped this up. Big time

5/ Fact is that experts are being silenced, censored, threated, sacked and such of expressing their opinion...
The truth doesn't censor

6/ Na. Everyone has conflicts of interest. If your health department has received any monies from vaccine companies or the gates foundation then they are compromised. Conflicts of interests everywhere

7/ First it was lockdown for only two weeks and here we still are. Then we had to wear masks then not, then this and that.
If it was real they would of done it like they have since biblical times. Quarantine the sick. Not murder the young

8/ Your concerned of dying from covid? Are you 85yo?
We aren't concerned in the slightest down here. Meanwhile
It is now illegal to protest against the government here since. We have been in a state of emergency since March 2020 , giving the leader a blanch carte. We have effectively been under a dictatorship. Cities of 5 million people get locked down here now because of one case... LoL... Its insane... Everyone i know has been hurt hard by this. Loss of jobs... Loss of homes... Loss of sanity... Loss of lives

9/ Hahaha toilet paper. Well. I'll call this one a matter of opinion as well then

So it still stands. There is no pandemic
Pandemic = Global
Epidemic = Local

Your talking your local. Not here
China is also free from covid. Billions of people.
So its not global. Its local. An epidemic at the most u can call it.
True? Isn't it?
 
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BarneyplusBarneyBuckets said:
I am a devout follower of our Lord but you are spreading quite frankly dangerous misinformation. We do quarantine the sick but it’s not possible to quarantine everyone who has COVID as many never knew they had it. This was especially true before mass testing became possible. Therefore the only way to combat the virus was to reduce risk of transmission aka social distancing
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And sorry about the blah blah response.
I was just in a down mood and didn't even read it...

Anyway, time to hit the sack for me... God bless
 
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I dont have a lot to say about this, but I noticed this on another forum/social site and because I respect the guy who posted it I did watch it all the way through. It was interesting, mostly because it isn't the views of anti-vaxers, but regular qualified medical professionals called on my the legal establishment in Texas, to present evidence and testimony regarding the Covid vaccines.

My own view is irrelevant, but I thought those undecided may find this helpful in their research.

https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/n...state-senate-to-oppose-mandatory-covid-shots/
 
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EnglishChick said:
But the one already in use isn't the mark because most Christians would avoid it in that case
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That is my experience among those I am in fellowship with here, don't take the poison vaccine. Seems the rush is to get everyone poisoned before the effects show up.
 
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I don't know to what extent the pandemic is overblown or not. I trust Jesus that He is in control. I rarely read the news these days and if I do it's more to pray for those suffering
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If you trust Jesus why did you get the vaccine?

Those who have gotten it seem slightly defensive and insecure and I can certainly see why.
 
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That is my experience among those I am in fellowship with here, don't take the poison vaccine. Seems the rush is to get everyone poisoned before the effects show up.
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What poison? The poison of false Informations and false claims?
Which effects will show up? Dont get Covidinfection?
What expierience do you have with people who took vaccine? Please describe.
 
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TheLivingStone said:
If you trust Jesus why did you get the vaccine?

Those who have gotten it seem slightly defensive and insecure and I can certainly see why.
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My missionary friend took it to further the gospel, as she would be limited to accessing certain places Without it. Others take/intend to take it to obey a parent or a spouse - Some to remain in work so as to provide for a family.

Such decisions carry no evidence of a lack of trust in Jesus.

I ageee People may appear defensive, but it is probably Just because they know people jump to conclusions and Will make assumptions.
 
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Thank you for the post Tararose, good information,
best wishes
 
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Tararose said:
Post #143 has a video that may help answer your question
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Well, Health Impact News is an alternative medicine, holistic, nutrition website, which is seen from others as quackery level pseudosience Website, which is known for spreading information from untrustworth sources.
So this I should believe?
 
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Well, Health Impact News is an alternative medicine, holistic, nutrition website, which is seen from others as quackery level pseudosience Website, which is known for spreading information from untrustworth sources.
So this I should believe?
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I have no idea who the site is run by or their motives, but I have watched the video on this page and it isn't made by them. They have just posted it on their site. It is that which I am interested in sharing, not the site. This is not their opinions that I am sharing. I want to clarify that. Perhaps check the legitimacy of the video. itself, which can be found on the page I shared, rather than discredit it because of others who have shared it. There are those who share the gospel for their own gain, but it does not make the gospel any less credible.
 
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Good point Tararose
blessings
 
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This video of Rand Paul questioning Dr. Phony Fauci says a lot, hope you find it helpful.
 
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I have no idea who the site is run by or their motives, but I have watched the video on this page and it isn't made by them. They have just posted it on their site. It is that which I am interested in sharing, not the site. This is not their opinions that I am sharing. I want to clarify that. Perhaps check the legitimacy of the video. itself, which can be found on the page I shared, rather than discredit it because of others who have shared it. There are those who share the gospel for their own gain, but it does not make the gospel any less credible.
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You really cant compare the gospel with Informations which are maby not serious.
I dont see an video, when I open this Website, but something about Texas and a study about Budenosid a treatment against asthma. ( the oxford study has Some weakpoints which shows that budenosid is not the solution. F.e. So the testet persons knew they got something which helps them. So it could be also an placeboeffect)
Also reports about people who dies after got vaccined.
Btw each life lost is a tragedy!
But then they should list also the much more death after getting Covidinfection.
If you would vaccine such an mass of people against Black pocks you have to expect also that some of the vaccined people would die ore have serious sideeffects. Would you then avoid to vaccine?

Where is the proof?
The Websides interest is not to help people.
Of course you can put your trust in them, but for what? For to proof that vaccine is poison?

You can be glad that Covid is till now not so deadly as ebola.
 
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You can be glad that Covid is till now not so deadly as ebola.
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that sounds almost threatening

you know, I had it right the first time I said I would not reply to you any longer because of your inability to supply any sort of cognizant response other than 'poo poo'

I guess you are protecting your own ideas and cannot allow any other thought other than your own and those you have come to believe

so much proof has been offered and you keep saying 'where is the proof'. best to let you just continue on for your own peace of mind
 
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that sounds almost threatening

you know, I had it right the first time I said I would not reply to you any longer because of your inability to supply any sort of cognizant response other than 'poo poo'

I guess you are protecting your own ideas and cannot allow any other thought other than your own and those you have come to believe

so much proof has been offered and you keep saying 'where is the proof'. best to let you just continue on for your own peace of mind
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You gave no real proof. For what you claimed.
 
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shittim said:
This video of Rand Paul questioning Dr. Phony Fauci says a lot, hope you find it helpful.
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Well what this Interview should proof?
That the US supportet (since 2014) the Institut in Wuhan is so far no secret.
There is still no proof that this is the reason for this Virus.
And no proof that it is a fake Pandemie.

For to be guilty you need a proof, right? Otherwise it is only a asumption.
Of course it can be out of a lab. And also it can be manipulatet.
But still today there is no proof for it.
 
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What poison? The poison of false Informations and false claims?
Which effects will show up? Dont get Covidinfection?
What expierience do you have with people who took vaccine? Please describe.
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Had replied to another thread, but will share here also. Have had experience with vaccine effects, and it affected my health care (rather, lack of care).

Went to ER Monday, and was admitted to the hospital. 12 hours later, still in ER examining room, I pushed the call button to get a nurse. Up to that point, I had not seen a nurse, doctor, orderly....no one for about 5 hours up to that point. A nurse responded, and I asked her what was going on. Told her I'd been admitted hours earlier, and still in the ER. She said the hospital was full, and there were about 5 others ahead of me admitted and waiting for rooms to open up. Have health issues, so no stranger to hospitals and extended stays, but this had never happened before. Open heart surgery 17 years ago, and needing another one soon.

The nurse said "hospitals are full, and with this covid and the vaccines, folk with blood clots and other issues...we are full, and have been". I then asked to see the doctor for a discharge.

With that shared, it is maddening to know that hospitals were not overrun with covid patients as claimed at the height of the 'scare', and even more so knowing that hospitals are overrun with sick folk from the vaccine. Infuriating also to know that the media is not reporting this fact. So, yes, it is a poison. It doesn't make everyone sick (yet), but more are sick than what is being made known.

By the way, am still needing hospital care, but can't get it. Why? I wonder..............
 
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SophieT said:
I guess you are protecting your own ideas and cannot allow any other thought other than your own and those you have come to believe
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"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle

Some can consider an idea without necessarily believing it --- and some don't seem to be able to do that... :confused: :unsure:
 
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