What is the Royal Law or Law of Liberty?

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this is what i mean by the language thing-

what will land one in the lake of fire is non trust and faith in belief in Jesus.

if the gauge is how much one sins or not, then it is up to works or lack of good works.

and that directly contradicts Scripture.

by grace through faith for good works.
anything other than that is false, man made religious teaching.
Again, it's not breaking the Ten Commandments that gets us thrown in the Lake of Fire - it's either refusing the gift of salvation or casting it aside after receiving it: both of which are cognitive choices, not outward actions.

"Choice is not works, it's thought." - Elder Lawrence Ditoro
 

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Ahhh, the classic "ad hominem" attack -- the weapon of last resort for those who find themselves backed up in a corner of the arena of ideas with no more plays to call.

Does Romans 7:25 KJV grant the Christian freedom to simultaneously serve the Law of the Spirit with his mind and the Law of Sin with his flesh? Can a Christian gaze to the ceiling of his neighbor's bedroom thinking thoughts of faithfulness to God while simultaneously ejaculating in his neighbor's wife? Just putting some meat on this popular theological skeleton, is all. You gonna answer the question?
Its better to keep our minds out of the gutter and to discuss bible verses . Thats inappropriate content .
Philippians 4:8
“Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.”
 

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No, what gets a person cast into the Lake of Fire is iniquity, which is habitual, deliberate, known sin (Matthew 7:23 KJV) ... because provision was made for the salvation of the sinner's soul, but the sinner refused to avail himself of that provision.
The provision today is remission and redemption, the giving of the Holy spirit and being predestinated to the adoption ( Rom 8.23 ) . And its not given intravenously. I notice you keep going to verses that are either Ot , before the cross and during the tribulation.
 

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Again, it's not breaking the Ten Commandments that gets us thrown in the Lake of Fire - it's either refusing the gift of salvation or casting it aside after receiving it: both of which are cognitive choices, not outward actions.

"Choice is not works, it's thought." - Elder Lawrence Ditoro
Salvation is not a baton . Where not given a bracelet or something or a ribbon, special undergarments that we must wear at all times and not cast aside .
 

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Well, that isn't what I said.

I said we're not judges by the 10 commandments, but rather judged by the law of liberty which is how well we love our neighbor as ourselves:

James 2:12
12So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

If you break one of the 10 commandments, even secretly in your heart, or accidentally, then you're guilty of transgressing the whole law:

James 2:10
10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Given our inability to keep the law, Christ fulfilled the law for us so that by faith in His life death and resurrection we are justified by His righteousness. We access the grace of God by faith in Christ.

Romans 5:1-2
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
We're not free to go on sinning as you suggested, nor do born again Christians want to sin, rather we are free to love our neighbor as ourselves in the law of liberty:

Galatians 5:13-15
13For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. 14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

Galatians 5:22-23
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Romans 3:21KJV
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

James 2:17-26KJV
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
 

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I've said all along that keeping the law is not a means to obtain salvation but the evidence that salvation has already, previously, earlier, beforehand been obtained by grace through faith (1 John 2:3-4 KJV) - an unsaved person cannot keep the law (Romans 8:7 KJV).
Romans 2:14
“For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:”
 
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Your opinions of my relationship with Jesus are worth less than that OSAS License to Sin you carry: at least you can substitute that License for toilet paper, should another shortage arise.
You have no more relationship with Jesus than the jews who teach like you teach did, you reject his grace and try to insert your works, then pump your chest like a lonely pharisee of how you are not like the sinner (osas lisence to sin)

when you get on your knees and bow your head and proclaim the grace of mercy of a loving savior, then I will think you have a relationship. Until then? All I see is the pharisee you are, you would make the high priest of Israel proud as you walk beside him so pompous and sure of yourself
 
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this is what i mean by the language thing-

what will land one in the lake of fire is non trust and faith in belief in Jesus.

if the gauge is how much one sins or not, then it is up to works or lack of good works.

and that directly contradicts Scripture.

by grace through faith for good works.
anything other than that is false, man made religious teaching.
Amen

not by works of righteousness which we have done but by his mercy he saved us.

grace and works do not mix when it comes to salvation, it’s one or the other.
 

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Amen

not by works of righteousness which we have done but by his mercy he saved us.

grace and works do not mix when it comes to salvation, it’s one or the other.
Romans 3:21KJV
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

James 2:17-26KJV
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
 

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Romans 3:21KJV
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

James 2:17-26KJV
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
" for the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, you shall love your neighbor as yourself"
 
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" for the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, you shall love your neighbor as yourself"
He can’t take it any more than he can take it ghat Israel will be restored.

the law was never given to show us how to be righteous, it was given to show us how sinful we are and turn us to Christ.

he can’t see I can only fathom because he does not see the law for what it is yet, he has not come to being poor in spirit (bankrupt). He still thinks he can keep the law
 

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He can’t take it any more than he can take it ghat Israel will be restored.

the law was never given to show us how to be righteous, it was given to show us how sinful we are and turn us to Christ.

he can’t see I can only fathom because he does not see the law for what it is yet, he has not come to being poor in spirit (bankrupt). He still thinks he can keep the law
The Law Of Ordinances And The Law In Commandments Are Apples And Oranges

The Law In Ordinance Has Been Removed, Clean And Unclean Foods, Circumcision, Penalty For Broken Laws, Etc

The Law In The 10 Commandments Is Alive And Well, And Applies To The Church Today

Does the Church Desire To Lie, Kill, Steal, Commit Adultery, Dishonor Mother And Father, Commit Idolatry, Use The Lords Name In Vain?

Crickets, Big Smiles
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Its better to keep our minds out of the gutter and to discuss bible verses . Thats inappropriate content .
Philippians 4:8
“Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.”
Sometimes strong but appropriate language is necessary to make the point.

Will you join SeedMan in his fear of answering the question or will you insist on dodging it so that you may hold onto the false idea that we may simultaneously serve the Law of the Spirit and the Law of Sin?
 
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The provision today is remission and redemption, the giving of the Holy spirit and being predestinated to the adoption ( Rom 8.23 ) . And its not given intravenously. I notice you keep going to verses that are either Ot , before the cross and during the tribulation.
I go to the OT because nothing changed from it to the NT - just the Types that met their Antitypes in Christ when He finally arrived to the fulfill them.

And since there's no such thing as a pre-trib rapture...
 
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Salvation is not a baton . Where not given a bracelet or something or a ribbon, special undergarments that we must wear at all times and not cast aside .
Salvation is not a prison cell from which we cannot escape; the "seal of God" is not the kind of seal that traps in canned fruit -- it is a "stamp of identification" which identifies us as Christian.

God's outstretched hand is open to all who wish to enter there and rest in His divine palm, but also to allow departure for any who wish to return back to their old life of rebellion.
 
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Romans 2:14
“For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:”
Even the Gentiles who've never heard of the Ten Commandments know it's wrong to steal, kill, etc....but somehow once they become Christian, they're handed a License to Sin which is claimed to allow the escape of punishment for doing the same things that will condemn the Unlicensed?
 

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Even the Gentiles who've never heard of the Ten Commandments know it's wrong to steal, kill, etc....but somehow once they become Christian, they're handed a License to Sin which is claimed to allow the escape of punishment for doing the same things that will condemn the Unlicensed?
to him who knows to do good and not do so, to him it is sin.

as much as you legalists try to deny this , the " little sins" count the same as " big sins"

in God's eyes, taking a pen home from work without asking as the same as robbing a bank.
 
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You have no more relationship with Jesus than the jews who teach like you teach did, you reject his grace and try to insert your works, then pump your chest like a lonely pharisee of how you are not like the sinner (osas lisence to sin)

when you get on your knees and bow your head and proclaim the grace of mercy of a loving savior, then I will think you have a relationship. Until then? All I see is the pharisee you are, you would make the high priest of Israel proud as you walk beside him so pompous and sure of yourself
Your criticisms mean absolutely nothing, as your ability to assess what is and isn't a right relationship with God is as lacking as your ability to rightly divide the Word of Truth.

So, keep trusting in that worthless OSAS License to Sin you think grants you immunity to keep doing the very things that made necessary the death of my dear Savior, and I'll strive to "keep His commandments and do those things which are pleasing in His sight."
 
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to him who knows to do good and not do so, to him it is sin.

as much as you legalists try to deny this , the " little sins" count the same as " big sins"

in God's eyes, taking a pen home from work without asking as the same as robbing a bank.
Of course "thou shalt not steal" assigns no threshold value for what is or is not considered theft - I don't know anyone who argues otherwise.

As for the "legalists", the ancient legalist Pharisees claimed the promises of God, but rejected the conditions by which there were to receive them. So, who are the modern day Pharisees?

You Antinomianists who, like them, claim the promise of salvation while rejecting the conditions by which we are to receive it: repentance, surrender, abiding in the Vine lest we be cast into the fire.
 

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Sometimes strong but appropriate language is necessary to make the point.

Will you join SeedMan in his fear of answering the question or will you insist on dodging it so that you may hold onto the false idea that we may simultaneously serve the Law of the Spirit and the Law of Sin?
Its a faulty question.