Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?

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kaylagrl

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LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY
Old Covenant Jews = Any 'ethnicity' person who is still mistakenly following the
Laws and teachings that God spake directly to Moses.
Why do they follow them still? Because they have a ZEAL for righteousness,
but they cannot see Christ.
Your job, lest you forget, is to show them Christ.

(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y) Can't give this enough support. May I say it again?

Your job, lest you forget, is to show them Christ !!!
 

Truth7t7

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(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)Can't give this enough support. May I say it again?

Your job, lest you forget, is to show them Christ !!!
Mark 16:15KJV
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
 
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kaylagrl

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Hey your catching on (y)

All Jews, Caucasians, Hispanics, Chinese, Africans, that deny Jesus Christ And His Finished Work On Calvary get the curse, ending in the Lake of Fire
Except the Bible doesn't say that. The Bible says they are blinded for a time. Remanent will be saved, through faith in Christ.


All those ethnic groups above that believe, repent, and receive, the finished working Calvary, become the Church and receive the blessing ending in the Eternal kingdom in the New Heaven and Earth
So just rip Romans 9-11 out and burn it, got it.
 

Truth7t7

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To the Jew first, then the Gentiles.
The Jew First, means nothing more than the Gospel of Jesus Christ began in Jerusalem with the Jew first

Luke 24:47KJV
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
 

Truth7t7

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Except the Bible doesn't say that. The Bible says they are blinded for a time. Remanent will be saved, through faith in Christ.

So just rip Romans 9-11 out and burn it, got it.
Hey your coming around, yes the Remnant Elect Jew will be saved, those whom God foreknew, not all Jews are elected and chosen

That Remnant Elect is seen represented in Zechariah 13:8 in the 1/3, while the 2/3 will be blind, and cut off and die
 

TheDivineWatermark

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King James Bible
"Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen [G1586] you twelve, and one of you is a devil?"

Young's Literal Translation
"Jesus answered them, 'Did not I choose [G1586] you -- the twelve? and of you -- one is a devil.'"

--John 6:70 - https://biblehub.com/text/john/6-70.htm


[doesn't seem here ^ to mean "'saved'" ;) ]





So... "chosen / choose [G1586]"... same word as found in Mark 13:20, "but on account of the elect whom He chose [G1586], He hath shortened the days."

https://biblehub.com/text/mark/13-20.htm
 
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pottersclay

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Israel was never cursed by God or Jesus for their part in the crucifixion.
Jesus held them accountable for not knowing the time of their visitation.
The greek language suggest the our lord's plea.....(forgive them for they do not know what their doing) was said continual through the chastening.
Jesus himself said...(no man takes my life but I lay it down)
The jews killed jesus is off the table.

The jews rejecting jesus as Messiah does not mean that a Messiah was not prophcied.
Forbidding the teaching of Isaiah 53 and actually even today ripping out those pages of prophecy of the suffering servant has caused great harm to the Jewish people.
It is the Pharisees and Sadducees jesus had issues with. Not the Jewish people. But because of the teachings of these white washed sepulchers the people were confused, and led astray.
Today the problem still remains as Pharisees and Sadducees still insist on their added on teachings.
Notice it always revolved around the sabbath and cleansing customs when they challenged our Lord.
Demonstration of works salvation.

Israel is the example of a God fearing nation to us and all the world. The very example of blessings and cursings. God could of destroyed Israel at any time. Why spare them untill the end of the age only to cast them away?
Israel is the physical, we are the spiritual, the church is exclusive to Christ. No more do the gentiles need to remain in the outter court but are now welcomed into the Holy of Holies for we also have a high priest.
Remembering paul said that we boldly come before the throne of God not by the sacrifices of lambs but by the sacrifice of the lamb...Christ Jesus.

Israel in the end times will make a covenant with anti Christ but it will be broken and war will persue.
Nation's will rise against Israel but not all nation's... Ezekiel 38.
Within this chaos and calamity the second coming is to happen for God himself shall defend.
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TheDivineWatermark

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King James Bible
"Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen [G1586] you twelve, and one of you is a devil?"
Young's Literal Translation
"Jesus answered them, 'Did not I choose [G1586] you -- the twelve? and of you -- one is a devil.'"

--John 6:70 - https://biblehub.com/text/john/6-70.htm


[doesn't seem here ^ to mean "'saved'" ;) ]
So... "chosen / choose [G1586]"... same word as found in Mark 13:20, "but on account of the elect whom He chose [G1586], He hath shortened the days."

https://biblehub.com/text/mark/13-20.htm

...and I could add the following...



Consider the RELATED word in the following verse:

"For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect [G1588 - eklektos - LXX], I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me."

--Isaiah 45:4

["Israel mine elect"... ?]
 
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kaylagrl

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The Jew First, means nothing more than the Gospel of Jesus Christ began in Jerusalem with the Jew first

Luke 24:47KJV
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.


Romans 1

“I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.”
 

Truth7t7

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Israel was never cursed by God or Jesus for their part in the crucifixion.
Jesus held them accountable for not knowing the time of their visitation.
The greek language suggest the our lord's plea.....(forgive them for they do not know what their doing) was said continual through the chastening.
Jesus himself said...(no man takes my life but I lay it down)
The jews killed jesus is off the table.

The jews rejecting jesus as Messiah does not mean that a Messiah was not prophcied.
Forbidding the teaching of Isaiah 53 and actually even today ripping out those pages of prophecy of the suffering servant has caused great harm to the Jewish people.
It is the Pharisees and Sadducees jesus had issues with. Not the Jewish people. But because of the teachings of these white washed sepulchers the people were confused, and led astray.
Today the problem still remains as Pharisees and Sadducees still insist on their added on teachings.
Notice it always revolved around the sabbath and cleansing customs when they challenged our Lord.
Demonstration of works salvation.

Israel is the example of a God fearing nation to us and all the world. The very example of blessings and cursings. God could of destroyed Israel at any time. Why spare them untill the end of the age only to cast them away?
Israel is the physical, we are the spiritual, the church is exclusive to Christ. No more do the gentiles need to remain in the outter court but are now welcomed into the Holy of Holies for we also have a high priest.
Remembering paul said that we boldly come before the throne of God not by the sacrifices of lambs but by the sacrifice of the lamb...Christ Jesus.

Israel in the end times will make a covenant with anti Christ but it will be broken and war will persue.
Nation's will rise against Israel but not all nation's... Ezekiel 38.
Within this chaos and calamity the second coming is to happen for God himself shall defend.
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You have Israel as a God fearing Nation being an example to the world,then in the same breath, you have Israel making a covenant with the antichrist? :)
 

Roughsoul1991

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Okay, very good.

The reason I asked you, was because in T7t7's Post #1249 (which was a response to my original point in Post #1243 [pg63]), where he had started out by saying to me,

"Your "Preterist" claims are false"...

your "[emoji-]reaction" (whatever they are called) was the "Happy"-face one, as though perhaps you AGREED with his thought that I had been presenting the "Preterist" viewpoint (which I certainly was NOT). Just wanted to be sure to clear that up.

Yes, the passages I presented clearly show that certain aspects of the Olivet Discourse WERE INDEED referring to the events surrounding 70ad; whereas the majority of it is "far-future" (in the future "Trib years" / 7 years).



Pretty much, yes!



Correct!


Right on!


Yes, that's it!



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T7t7 is simply applying things "willy-nilly," while giving little regard to what the text/texts is/are actually conveying.

The passages I supplied (spelled out) in Post #1262/1271 provide the info necessary to conclude that those certain things indeed took place in the very "near future" (to them, i.e. 70ad); rather than "far-future" as the OTHER aspects will occur (<--esp how Lk21:32 expresses, "TILL ALL be fulfilled" necessarily must INCLUDE the TWO very lengthy items that v.24a had already JUST spoken of)...

...and that is a matter of grasping the "chronology" and paying close attention to what the text is actually conveying.




Glad you also see it similarly to how I was showing in those Posts... I'm relieved your "Happy"-face reaction (on T7t7's Post #1249) was not a show of "agreement" with T7t7 that you thought I was presenting "Preterist" views, when I wasn't. Thanks for clarifying! = )
My happy face was supposed to be a red X lol but I guess it lagged. My phone gets slow and does stupid stuff. But yes I agree with your interpretation that I have seen. I have not read each post as multiple pages go past before I log back on. But I agree 7t7 has a lazy interpretation with improper context.
 

Truth7t7

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Romans 1

“I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.”
Yes the gospel was preached to the Jew first in Jerusalem, just as the scripture below teaches.

The Jew First, means nothing more than the Gospel of Jesus Christ began in Jerusalem with the Jew first

Luke 24:47KJV
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
 

Truth7t7

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My happy face was supposed to be a red X lol but I guess it lagged. My phone gets slow and does stupid stuff. But yes I agree with your interpretation that I have seen. I have not read each post as multiple pages go past before I log back on. But I agree 7t7 has a lazy interpretation with improper context.
All aspects of the great tribulation seen in Matthew 24 and Luke 21 are future events unfulfilled

Daniel's Abomination of Desolation, The Great Tribulation, And The Second Coming Immediately After The Tribulation, All Future Events Unfulfilled
 
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All aspects of the great tribulation seen in Matthew 24 and Luke 21 are future events unfulfilled

Daniel's Abomination of Desolation, The Great Tribulation, And The Second Coming Immediately After The Tribulation, All Future Events Unfulfilled
You're going to be really disappointed when it doesn't pan out to your liking
 
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kaylagrl

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Yes the gospel was preached to the Jew first in Jerusalem, just as the scripture below teaches.

The Jew First, means nothing more than the Gospel of Jesus Christ began in Jerusalem with the Jew first

Luke 24:47KJV
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Salvation was to the Jew first, you were grafted in.
 

Truth7t7

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Salvation was to the Jew first, you were grafted in.
Jesus Christ is the Olive Tree, he was God manifest in the flesh of a Jew, he is salvation

The unbelieving Jews was broken off because of unbelief, and the remnant elect Jew will be grafted back into the Olive Tree Jesus Christ

All Persons after the cross of Calvary are grafted into the Jewish Olive Tree Jesus Christ

Yes the gospel was preached in Jerusalem to the Jew first
 
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pottersclay

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You have Israel as a God fearing Nation being an example to the world,then in the same breath, you have Israel making a covenant with the antichrist? :)
Absolutely, with out the Isaiah 53 teaching it is as of Christ first coming. The jews thought that jesus would rise against their oppressors....rome. that he came to take the seat of david as a warrior.
That is the Messiah that they were taught to look for. That's what the Pharisees taught.
That's why they couldn't understand his death. That's what they were waiting for.