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randyk

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Are we supposed to keep our eyes to the sky, expecting the Lord to come at any moment? Or are we supposed to be busy preparing ourselves and others for the Kingdom of God? Should we expect some time to lapse, not as an excuse to be idle and to waste time, but rather, to prepare, to praise, and to thank?

I don't think that life is all work and no play. And I don't think "play" is synonymous with living a profligate life. But Mary showed Martha what was needful, and that was not always work, but simply spending time in the Lord's presence. That way, we will know when it's wise to work and when it's wise to rest.

Acts 1.10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky?

We're often told by "imminency" advocates that we need to keep our eyes peeled to the sky, just in case the Lord might come, and we have to be ready. It's as if focusing our attention on the sky somehow keeps us ready for that event!

But you know and I know that being ready for Christ's coming requires that we always be walking with the Lord, staying humble, doing our jobs, witnessing, working, loving, etc. True preparation is moral readiness, and not keeping our eyes trained on the sky!

Have you ever gone whale watching? I have, and it's fun. But you just don't know where or when they're going to leap up out of the water. So you have to keep your eyes trained in a general area where they may appear.

But it isn't this way with the Lord's coming. He merely asks us to always be doing what we're supposed to be doing. It isn't even as though he may just suddenly appear at any moment, either. It's just that he wants us to always be clothed in righteousness, and thus ready for the Kingdom.

The passage above indicates that the Disciples kept their eyes on the sky in vain. That wasn't what Jesus wanted them to do. He wanted them to be about their business of preaching the gospel to the nations. They certainly weren't supposed to expect Jesus to reappear at any moment! They had a job to do. And he wanted them to always be doing that, not just to get others ready for the Kingdom, but so that they would keep themselves ready for the Kingdom too.

We are told to be watchful, ready, and vigilant. Much of this exhortation has to do with remaining aware of possible deceptions and misdirections. Since this age is characterized by satanic opposition and human error, we have to remain vigilant all the time. None of this has a thing with expecting Jesus to come from the sky at any moment.

We are also called upon to set our minds on things above. This is simply so that we maintain our gaze on Jesus' righteousness so that we do not be moved away from it. We are to remain firm and to stand in Christ. Hope this helps?
 

Gideon300

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#2
Are we supposed to keep our eyes to the sky, expecting the Lord to come at any moment? Or are we supposed to be busy preparing ourselves and others for the Kingdom of God? Should we expect some time to lapse, not as an excuse to be idle and to waste time, but rather, to prepare, to praise, and to thank?

I don't think that life is all work and no play. And I don't think "play" is synonymous with living a profligate life. But Mary showed Martha what was needful, and that was not always work, but simply spending time in the Lord's presence. That way, we will know when it's wise to work and when it's wise to rest.

Acts 1.10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky?

We're often told by "imminency" advocates that we need to keep our eyes peeled to the sky, just in case the Lord might come, and we have to be ready. It's as if focusing our attention on the sky somehow keeps us ready for that event!

But you know and I know that being ready for Christ's coming requires that we always be walking with the Lord, staying humble, doing our jobs, witnessing, working, loving, etc. True preparation is moral readiness, and not keeping our eyes trained on the sky!

Have you ever gone whale watching? I have, and it's fun. But you just don't know where or when they're going to leap up out of the water. So you have to keep your eyes trained in a general area where they may appear.

But it isn't this way with the Lord's coming. He merely asks us to always be doing what we're supposed to be doing. It isn't even as though he may just suddenly appear at any moment, either. It's just that he wants us to always be clothed in righteousness, and thus ready for the Kingdom.

The passage above indicates that the Disciples kept their eyes on the sky in vain. That wasn't what Jesus wanted them to do. He wanted them to be about their business of preaching the gospel to the nations. They certainly weren't supposed to expect Jesus to reappear at any moment! They had a job to do. And he wanted them to always be doing that, not just to get others ready for the Kingdom, but so that they would keep themselves ready for the Kingdom too.

We are told to be watchful, ready, and vigilant. Much of this exhortation has to do with remaining aware of possible deceptions and misdirections. Since this age is characterized by satanic opposition and human error, we have to remain vigilant all the time. None of this has a thing with expecting Jesus to come from the sky at any moment.

We are also called upon to set our minds on things above. This is simply so that we maintain our gaze on Jesus' righteousness so that we do not be moved away from it. We are to remain firm and to stand in Christ. Hope this helps?
I don't believe it is necessary to be one or the other. We can be seeking to be ready for Christ's return while working for the kingdom. Sometimes I work in the garden when I know that a storm is coming. I don't know when the storm will hit, but I work with one eye on the sky and the other on what I'm doing. When I feel the first drops of rain, I put the mower and trimmer away and go inside. It's not that hard.
There is a good motivation to know that Lord Jesus is returning. I still remember when I read this verse for the first time. Me? be like Christ? Yes! What a glorious thought!

1 John 3
…2Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is. 3And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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We're often told by "imminency" advocates that we need to keep our eyes peeled to the sky, just in case the Lord might come, and we have to be ready. It's as if focusing our attention on the sky somehow keeps us ready for that event!
Let me just clarify something, lest you conflate certain persons' viewpoints.

What you've put above ^ is "Abs's [member] viewpoint" ("watch and be ready" as he often states)... primarily because he holds to the "partial-rapture theory" (and also believes there are "multiple raptures") and thus he uses certain verses as being in a "rapture" context that *I* (a "pre-tribber") would not and do not (as in your example above ^ ).

Not saying this to "pick on" Abs, but just to help clarify the varying viewpoints being represented here. = )




[as I've stated in past discussions with you, the way most use the term "imminency" is not that it could happen AT ANY TIME throughout the past 2000 yrs-plus, but that NO [biblically-defined] SIGNS PRECEDE our Rapture (they ALL *FOLLOW* it)]
 

randyk

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#4
Let me just clarify something, lest you conflate certain persons' viewpoints.

What you've put above ^ is "Abs's [member] viewpoint" ("watch and be ready" as he often states)... primarily because he holds to the "partial-rapture theory" (and also believes there are "multiple raptures") and thus he uses certain verses as being in a "rapture" context that *I* (a "pre-tribber") would not and do not (as in your example above ^ ).

Not saying this to "pick on" Abs, but just to help clarify the varying viewpoints being represented here. = )

[as I've stated in past discussions with you, the way most use the term "imminency" is not that it could happen AT ANY TIME throughout the past 2000 yrs-plus, but that NO [biblically-defined] SIGNS PRECEDE our Rapture (they ALL *FOLLOW* it)]
I get that you have a slightly different perspective on imminency. But the framework is much the same, lending to no sense of time before his coming. I personally believe it's essential to live with the sense that there are things we *must do.*

Of course, the Lord reserves the right to dismiss us at any time. However, for the vast majority of us, we have to live with the expectation that the Lord has things for us to do tomorrow, next year, and perhaps in years to come.

This is very different from the sense that nothing prevents Jesus from coming back *today.* I trust you understand?

Not only are there things we must do in our lives as part of this grand drama, but there are indeed still prophecies to come to pass, I believe. There is the rise and reign of Antichrist, and there is the present development towards the Antichristian Empire, to fulfill what Daniel saw in ch. 7. We are to testify against the world as these things take place.

There must *always* be a witness in the world. And that's the job we need to be focused on--not an escape hatch.
 

randyk

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#5
I don't believe it is necessary to be one or the other. We can be seeking to be ready for Christ's return while working for the kingdom. Sometimes I work in the garden when I know that a storm is coming. I don't know when the storm will hit, but I work with one eye on the sky and the other on what I'm doing. When I feel the first drops of rain, I put the mower and trimmer away and go inside. It's not that hard.
There is a good motivation to know that Lord Jesus is returning. I still remember when I read this verse for the first time. Me? be like Christ? Yes! What a glorious thought!
Yes, there are times when we have a gun in one hand and a hammer in the other--see Nehemiah. He had to build the walls of the temple under difficult conditions.

But that isn't the norm. We don't normally risk working out in an electrical storm, when we can simply wait for better weather.

We shouldn't be planning our jobs, our homes and family, and our ministries, when bombs are raining down on us. This is not the time to do these things.

But there is indeed a time to make plans, and when we do we should expect we can, with the Lord's help, fulfill those plans.
 

soberxp

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Luke 21:8
and he said , take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying , I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

Jesus has come back.
do not follow these who claims the time is near.
 

throughfaith

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#7
Are we supposed to keep our eyes to the sky, expecting the Lord to come at any moment? Or are we supposed to be busy preparing ourselves and others for the Kingdom of God? Should we expect some time to lapse, not as an excuse to be idle and to waste time, but rather, to prepare, to praise, and to thank?

I don't think that life is all work and no play. And I don't think "play" is synonymous with living a profligate life. But Mary showed Martha what was needful, and that was not always work, but simply spending time in the Lord's presence. That way, we will know when it's wise to work and when it's wise to rest.

Acts 1.10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky?

We're often told by "imminency" advocates that we need to keep our eyes peeled to the sky, just in case the Lord might come, and we have to be ready. It's as if focusing our attention on the sky somehow keeps us ready for that event!

But you know and I know that being ready for Christ's coming requires that we always be walking with the Lord, staying humble, doing our jobs, witnessing, working, loving, etc. True preparation is moral readiness, and not keeping our eyes trained on the sky!

Have you ever gone whale watching? I have, and it's fun. But you just don't know where or when they're going to leap up out of the water. So you have to keep your eyes trained in a general area where they may appear.

But it isn't this way with the Lord's coming. He merely asks us to always be doing what we're supposed to be doing. It isn't even as though he may just suddenly appear at any moment, either. It's just that he wants us to always be clothed in righteousness, and thus ready for the Kingdom.

The passage above indicates that the Disciples kept their eyes on the sky in vain. That wasn't what Jesus wanted them to do. He wanted them to be about their business of preaching the gospel to the nations. They certainly weren't supposed to expect Jesus to reappear at any moment! They had a job to do. And he wanted them to always be doing that, not just to get others ready for the Kingdom, but so that they would keep themselves ready for the Kingdom too.

We are told to be watchful, ready, and vigilant. Much of this exhortation has to do with remaining aware of possible deceptions and misdirections. Since this age is characterized by satanic opposition and human error, we have to remain vigilant all the time. None of this has a thing with expecting Jesus to come from the sky at any moment.

We are also called upon to set our minds on things above. This is simply so that we maintain our gaze on Jesus' righteousness so that we do not be moved away from it. We are to remain firm and to stand in Christ. Hope this helps?
Are we supposed to keep our eyes to the sky, expecting the Lord to come at any moment? Or are we supposed to be busy preparing ourselves and others for the Kingdom of God? Should we expect some time to lapse, not as an excuse to be idle and to waste time, but rather, to prepare, to praise, and to thank?

I don't think that life is all work and no play. And I don't think "play" is synonymous with living a profligate life. But Mary showed Martha what was needful, and that was not always work, but simply spending time in the Lord's presence. That way, we will know when it's wise to work and when it's wise to rest.

Acts 1.10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky?

We're often told by "imminency" advocates that we need to keep our eyes peeled to the sky, just in case the Lord might come, and we have to be ready. It's as if focusing our attention on the sky somehow keeps us ready for that event!

But you know and I know that being ready for Christ's coming requires that we always be walking with the Lord, staying humble, doing our jobs, witnessing, working, loving, etc. True preparation is moral readiness, and not keeping our eyes trained on the sky!

Have you ever gone whale watching? I have, and it's fun. But you just don't know where or when they're going to leap up out of the water. So you have to keep your eyes trained in a general area where they may appear.

But it isn't this way with the Lord's coming. He merely asks us to always be doing what we're supposed to be doing. It isn't even as though he may just suddenly appear at any moment, either. It's just that he wants us to always be clothed in righteousness, and thus ready for the Kingdom.

The passage above indicates that the Disciples kept their eyes on the sky in vain. That wasn't what Jesus wanted them to do. He wanted them to be about their business of preaching the gospel to the nations. They certainly weren't supposed to expect Jesus to reappear at any moment! They had a job to do. And he wanted them to always be doing that, not just to get others ready for the Kingdom, but so that they would keep themselves ready for the Kingdom too.

We are told to be watchful, ready, and vigilant. Much of this exhortation has to do with remaining aware of possible deceptions and misdirections. Since this age is characterized by satanic opposition and human error, we have to remain vigilant all the time. None of this has a thing with expecting Jesus to come from the sky at any moment.

We are also called upon to set our minds on things above. This is simply so that we maintain our gaze on Jesus' righteousness so that we do not be moved away from it. We are to remain firm and to stand in Christ. Hope this helps?
I don't think we are supposed to stand staring at the sky . This could cause serious neck strain. And kids ,we don't look directly at the sun .