2 Thessalonians 2

I have no idea. Maybe many.

Genesis 28: 12And he (Jacob) dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it

I know there are Christians who say they have personally spoken with Jesus, and who am I to doubt them?

That verse above is not second coming of Jesus, it is Jacob dream go to heaven, but yes Jesus appear to Paul and make Paul repent. But it is not consider second coming.
Second coming in tesslonian and Matt 24 is talking about end time. It was not ad 70, because at ad 70 rapture not happen yet.

You asked:
So how many time after Jesus go to heaven He coming to earth?

There is a difference between appearing and coming.
I hesitate to throw numbers around, but Paul tells us of two appearances.
If we add the Lord coming in AD70, that would makes 3 Comings after Jesus went to heaven.

Yep, I ask about coming, and you believe when Paul see Jesus not consider coming but apperiance
Then you say
So you believe Jesus appear twice to Paul or coming twice and come again at ad 70 that make 3 time

What verse tell Jesus come to earth at ad70

I wasn't really thinking of Paul.

Jesus appeared to the disciples 40 days
Then he came in AD 70
He will appear again when he returns for the Church

You say there was a parousia of Jesus in 70 A.D.? To whom did He appear? To some or to everyone?

Parousia means presence, not 'appearing'.

You have to prove that Jesus returns to heaven after resurrecting and rapturing believers. Be my guest.


You've shared your strange view that 2 Thess 2:1 refers to some "coming" of Jesus to Jerusalem to gather church age believefrs while Jerusalem burns. Weird.

And you have NO Scriptural evidence nor any historical evidence of such an event. So why would anyone believe your claim?

What does this have to do with anything about 2 Thess 2:1?

God avenges ALL of His people by casting all unbelievers into the lake of fire.

Let me introduce you to some truth that you seem to be lacking:
1 John 1-
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.
2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us.
3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.

So, Jesus Christ ISN'T invisible as you weirdly claim.

Well, once again, you failed to answer questions. The other poster asked you what "coming" was referring to in 2 Thess 2:1.

But you gave him a word salad. No answer.

Jackson123 said:
Do you believe almighty a God capable to make Himself visible?
His post was real clear. He quoted Acts 1. Referring to Jesus. Proving that Jesus is visible, and refuting OS who claimed otherwise.

You are STILL NOT reading Scripture accurately.

Nothing in Acts 1 says Jesus was "hidden" in the clouds. In fact, the angel said "as you SEE Him". That ain't being hidden.

v.9 - 9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.

Now this:
v.11 - 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

Jesus was SEEN until a cloud hid Him.

Do you understand what this verse refers to? Peter, James and John on the Mount of Transfiguration. Has nothing to do with end times.

Please list all of Jesus' "various comings", with Scriptural proof of them.

And explain what each one accomplishes.

Thanks.

Well, this answers my question. You don't know how many or WHY. So of course you don't have any evidence for your claims.

You can't give numbers because you have NO evidence from Scripture.

Why would anyone "add the coming in AD 70" when there is NO Scriptural evidence for this mythical claim.

Regarding how many times Jesu returns to earth, the Bible tells us.

Heb 9:28 - so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

I've color coded the verse to help make clear the facts.

The red words refer to Christ's First Advent when He came as a baby, grew up and went to the cross to die for the sins of mankind.

The blue words refer to His SECOND return to earth, as King of kings and Lord of lords, to end the Trib, and set up His Millennial Kingdom.

When the Bible is clear, there is no reason to keep presuming other stuff.

Please show Scriptural evidence of this supposed appearance in AD 70.

FreeG You said Why?

Well are you saying that Paul was lying? That seems to be where you are headed
1 Colossians 15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

I see you have made lots of posts, all full of ranty stuff.
I offer you 3 questions, my time is precious.
I think I am going to find it hard to repeat myself over and over, but we'll give it a go.

What verse say Jesus return in ad 70

What verse says Jesus was crucified in AD33?