Is Obedience Necessary for Salvation?

Did you not understand what I explained in post #17?

Obedience is the evidence that we have been saved.

Romans 6 The whole chapter speaks on this subject.

The old man is dead and was buried with Christ unto death and resurrected with him to walk in the newness of life.

Romans 6
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

We never would have been saved had it not been for the Lord's obedience. So yes, our salvation is totally dependent on the Lord's obedience.

Now the Lord said that we must take up our cross and follow Him, that includes and implies obedience. It is a requirement for our Christian life, whether or not you want to say it refers to eternal salvation, or salvation of the soul, or our transformation, or glorification or the redemption of our body. The word "must" lets you know it is required, and the word "take up your cross and follow Me" indicates obedience.

Yes Noah found grace, the information about the coming float is grace

Don’t forget about fatih

Save by grace through faith

Not grace alone

Grace + faith
min Noah case his faith produce work/build an arch, that is thousands hours of work
is that mean he save by work?
no the root cause is his salvation is grace of information and faith that cause him to work
if he say he have faith but not work/built an arch than he lie he don’t believe that’s God information

Yes and the reason we know that his faith was living was the work he did in building the ark.

yep his faith that translate to work saved him
salvation need faith that is real it doesn’t matter disciple or not for salvation need real faith not just lip service faith

Building the Arc did not save Noah, nor any of his children.......sorry

Yes, think about it, there must have been many people who had boats and had built boats, that did not save them. So building an ark without faith was nothing, whereas building an ark by faith, well as James says "let patience have its perfect work"

No. It is impossible for the "works" of man to render eternal salvation! Scripture is very clear on this. Now, you are entitled to your opinion, but I will NEVER subscribe to "works salvation" ideology because it goes against the Gospel of Jesus the Christ who IS OUR SALVATION!

All genuine faith will have an expression in works. Abraham offering up his son was a work of faith. There may be a thousand people who say they believe in the resurrection and they have faith, but if there is no expression of that faith in their life then it is dead.

Obviously it was the faith that saved Abraham, had he offered up his son without that speaking from God it would have been a heinous sin.

David's faith saved him, but the reason we identify David as a man of faith is because his faith was not dead but had a living expression in his works.

We mistakenly conflate two concepts. Salvation and Eternal Life are not the same things scripturally.

Salvation = gift; forgiveness; cleansing from iniquity; BECOMING justified; record cleared; freedom from bondage to sin; requires faith alone in Messiah as critical 1st step towards achieving eternal life.

Eternal Life = reward; transformation (immortal, unable to be touched by 2nd death); glorification (needing no sunlight); entrance into the kingdom (city of light); requires faithful obedience to the commandments as a justified person through the process of sanctification.

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There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth by those cast into darkness (i.e. meaning out of the city of light...which will be on earth...forced to remain in their original hometown during the millennium reign), not able to enter in because they were workers of iniquity (Gk. anomia; "lawlessness"). It doesn't mean cast into the lake of fire...not yet...that comes after the millennium reign when the nations of the world gather an army together to destroy the city (Gog/Magog war).


Matthew 5:19
So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The obedience necessary for our Salvation is what Jesus accomplished on the Cross.
This is why Jesus tells us that : "I am the way and no person comes to the Father (born again) but by me". John 14:6

On the Cross, the Lord said, just before He died...."It is Finished/Accomplished"
What is that?
That is "The GIFT of Salvation", as Jesus was about to die to make it available to you, as : John 3:16,17

Scripture is very clear on this

1 cot 6:9-11
murder etc not save

So you believe Noah save without building an arch?
Sorry bible say Noah building an arch if you don't believe what bible say than it is your problem

Yes, and no.

Consider that the devil comes to YOU as an "angel of light" and HIS MINISTERS, as "ministers of Righteousness".
They will FAKE Fruit. They will sound like "christians".
So, this is why you can't just look at a lifestyle or a speech style and recognize a Christian.

You have to listen to how they define one thing.......Its this.. What do they TEACH "keeps them saved".
Not what saved them, but what KEEPS them Saved.
As the fakirs and the legalists will never ever agree that Jesus and the Blood of Jesus "keeps them saved".
They will all state some type of agreement regarding "jesus saves" and they will slightly talk about the Cross,
and then in comes the commandment keeping and the enduring to the end, and the abiding", and all their SELF EFFORT
to STAY SAVED.
So, notice this, and you have found your faker, or your "fallen from Grace", Legalist, who may be saved, or not.

Once that list comes out......That LIST of things to do and not do, to STAY SAVED, then you have found the legalist or in some cases the unsaved religious fakir.

If Jesus not die on the cross we not save no matter what

But salvation is only a viable for those who believe on Him, believe His teaching, not only believe Jesus is God but also believe His teaching


I am sure devil believe Jesus is God more than us, He saw Jesus on the cross we not, devil saw Jesus risen from the death, we not what devil lack is he not agree with His teaching, we do

What is His main teaching

Matt 22

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

All the law of Jesus is love God and fellow man

Devil Only believe Jesus is God but hate Jesus and fellow man
If we do like devil believe Jesus as god but hate god and fellow man, than we not save

Faith is not the savior.
God is the Savior.

God saves us through faith.
We Give God our faith, and God gives us the new birth.

Some teach that faith is the savior, and in fact, its not.
God is the savior.
"faith is counted as righteousness", but the "gift of righteousness", is the actual Salvation....that God provides.

Are you agree with 1 for 6

9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Or you call this verse is lie and legalis
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I agree Jesus is the savior, but Jesus set up the rule who will He save.
The rule is to be save you have to have faith in jesus

What is faith ?
To my knowledge faith is not only believe Jesus as God but also believe His teaching

And his main teaching is Love God and fellow man, so if you hate God and fellow man you are not save

Matt 22:37-40

Obedience isn't necessary for Salvation - it is evidence of Salvation. Those who do not obey in an upward, consistent manner are not saved.

2 Corinthians 3:14-18 NLT - "But the people's minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ. Yes, even today when they read Moses' writings, their hearts are covered with that veil, and they do not understand. But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. For the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. So all of us who have had that veil removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord. And the Lord--who is the Spirit--makes us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image."

1 John 3:8-10 NLT - "But when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil. Those who have been born into God's family do not make a practice of sinning, because God's life is in them. So they can't keep on sinning, because they are children of God. So now we can tell who are children of God and who are children of the devil. Anyone who does not live righteously and does not love other believers does not belong to God."