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Pilgrimshope

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“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: ….Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:36-37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:23-24, 26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“he that cometh from heaven is above all. And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:31-36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. For if the word spoken by angels ( Moses law ) was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;

How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

…Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:25, 28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19-20‬ ‭

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭

“But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2:11-13‬ ‭

In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:25-26‬ ‭

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV

there’s a lot of confusion about who to believe in this world , that’s why Hod sent Jesus Christ so we don’t have to be confused

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”

don’t forget the vi me tells us there are many many doctrines claiming to be of God but he said theres only one doctrine God bless you
 

glen55

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The mystery of Sons of God are blinded by becoming man, we all were with God before the world was made, the grace and love of our spiritual Father doesn't judge is own spirit. nothing is impossible for God to do it all we think is sin while being a son of man and blinded about who we all are. the allegory of OT was not secular history, Devine history that Paul explains in Galatians before the other gospels were wrote.

GAL 4: 22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. 24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
 

Pilgrimshope

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The mystery of Sons of God are blinded by becoming man, we all were with God before the world was made, the grace and love of our spiritual Father doesn't judge is own spirit. nothing is impossible for God to do it all we think is sin while being a son of man and blinded about who we all are. the allegory of OT was not secular history, Devine history that Paul explains in Galatians before the other gospels were wrote.

GAL 4: 22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. 24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
do you mean mankind as a whole was with him in the beginning by the spirit he gave us from within himself at creation ? I agree if that’s what you are saying

yes there’s a covenant for this lost earth ( Ishmael ) it corresponds to the cchildren of Israel and thier oromised land the blessing and curse of Moses law

and then there’s one for the next promised world Christs word is what we need to believe .( Isaac, Christ ) or saved our spirit into the kingdom of heaven with Christ in the new Jerusalem until he returns to restore the earth in the end

“Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he is the one preaching about the kingdom of God that next place and the only one who can tell us about eternal
Life , Moses covenant was for this reason

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and it corresponds to this earth and the Jerusalem that exist now on earth it’s lost and desolate was destroyed about 2000 years ago and still has no temple for worship

but as the ot spoke forth we have a new covenant now given by the messiah the new temple of God a new covenant and promises

now we have the righteousness God promised by faith apart from the law through believing the gospel

“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:21-26‬ ‭

the mistake people are making is they won’t hear and receive and believe the things Jesus preached that is the gospel his death and resurrection is part the doorway but he preached the gospel his word is life if believed it can change us inwardly and free us from sin

it doesn’t happen overnight but from faith to faith we grow into life by Gods power and our belief in him
 

glen55

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do you mean mankind as a whole was with him in the beginning by the spirit he gave us from within himself at creation ? I agree if that’s what you are saying

yes there’s a covenant for this lost earth ( Ishmael ) it corresponds to the cchildren of Israel and thier oromised land the blessing and curse of Moses law

and then there’s one for the next promised world Christs word is what we need to believe .( Isaac, Christ ) or saved our spirit into the kingdom of heaven with Christ in the new Jerusalem until he returns to restore the earth in the end

“Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he is the one preaching about the kingdom of God that next place and the only one who can tell us about eternal
Life , Moses covenant was for this reason

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and it corresponds to this earth and the Jerusalem that exist now on earth it’s lost and desolate was destroyed about 2000 years ago and still has no temple for worship

but as the ot spoke forth we have a new covenant now given by the messiah the new temple of God a new covenant and promises

now we have the righteousness God promised by faith apart from the law through believing the gospel

“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:21-26‬ ‭

the mistake people are making is they won’t hear and receive and believe the things Jesus preached that is the gospel his death and resurrection is part the doorway but he preached the gospel his word is life if believed it can change us inwardly and free us from sin

it doesn’t happen overnight but from faith to faith we grow into life by Gods power and our belief in him
With the pronouncement of nothing new under the sun, and repeated explain the outside time on this world and science seem to be new but not to God in man.
 

Pilgrimshope

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With the pronouncement of nothing new under the sun, and repeated explain the outside time on this world and science seem to be new but not to God in man.
You think that because your listening to Solomon and not hearing Gods word of life that witnesses of Christ in the prophets

“Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭42:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

They are created now, and not from the beginning; even before the day when thou heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say, Behold, I knew them.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭48:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-33‬ ‭

his law being written on your heart is by the words you skipped over in my last post the words of Christ that came to teach mankind the truth to save us into the new thkngs yet to come


“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is the light we have to accept

“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:45, 47‬ ‭

All the scripture in the Bible leads us there for salvstion by putting our faith in him hearing and believing the gospel is what saves souls

and it was always there but hidden until the apppinted time of redemption

“That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the word before Jesus was different what he said is Gods everlasting words of salvstion and all we have to do is hear and believe him if we do his word works in us to change and strip away the sin we harbor inside
 

glen55

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You think that because your listening to Solomon and not hearing Gods word of life that witnesses of Christ in the prophets

“Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭42:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

They are created now, and not from the beginning; even before the day when thou heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say, Behold, I knew them.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭48:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-33‬ ‭

his law being written on your heart is by the words you skipped over in my last post the words of Christ that came to teach mankind the truth to save us into the new thkngs yet to come


“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is the light we have to accept

“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:45, 47‬ ‭

All the scripture in the Bible leads us there for salvstion by putting our faith in him hearing and believing the gospel is what saves souls

and it was always there but hidden until the apppinted time of redemption

“That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the word before Jesus was different what he said is Gods everlasting words of salvstion and all we have to do is hear and believe him if we do his word works in us to change and strip away the sin we harbor inside
Grace and love never judges anyone, secular history is thinking that God that's in man is wimpy, certain sins are just to powerful for god and the sons of God now they afraid of being just a man. nothing can defeat who we really are when awake. what kills man is thought about being separate from God and looking outside.

Luke 17:20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Phili 2: 5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
 

glen55

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You think that because your listening to Solomon and not hearing Gods word of life that witnesses of Christ in the prophets

“Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭42:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

They are created now, and not from the beginning; even before the day when thou heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say, Behold, I knew them.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭48:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-33‬ ‭

his law being written on your heart is by the words you skipped over in my last post the words of Christ that came to teach mankind the truth to save us into the new thkngs yet to come


“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is the light we have to accept

“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:45, 47‬ ‭

All the scripture in the Bible leads us there for salvstion by putting our faith in him hearing and believing the gospel is what saves souls

and it was always there but hidden until the apppinted time of redemption

“That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the word before Jesus was different what he said is Gods everlasting words of salvstion and all we have to do is hear and believe him if we do his word works in us to change and strip away the sin we harbor inside
If like Jesus then John 17:5 is for you, just a sinner then your not equal with God. Phili 2: 5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
 

Pilgrimshope

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If like Jesus then John 17:5 is for you, just a sinner then your not equal with God. Phili 2: 5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
your correct I’m not equal to God , how can a price of clay be equal to the living hands that shape it ? How does a man claim equality with God ? Never .

That verse doesn’t tell us to consider ourself equal to God brother that’s a terrible idea . single verse theology never holds accurate to what’s really there. Look what happens when you consider what’s really there

“Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:5-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬


brother we are not equal to God as the single verse would suggest the part in that for us is the becoming obedient servants part the mans part of it as Paul continues you can the see the stewards promised

“Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:9-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you see how of you read a chapter of what’s being said it offers understanding more so ? And how Paul was actually always talking about repentance and obedience and facing jidgement after we die. The answer is the next line

“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:13‬ ‭

if we believe the gospel we’re going to change in our minds and hearts

“And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭12:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬
that happens by believing the lords gospel

perfection according to Paul is the same thing Jesus said the light from Luke 6 I quoted earlier for you to consider we need to allow what Jesus taught to become what we believe about him

“And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:10, 12-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Our place is to believe and serve God by the belief we have of the fospel and then when we die we will receive our inheritance into his kingdom our life on earth needs to be laid down and we need to seek the kingdom he preached the eternal
One
 

Pilgrimshope

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#9
Grace and love never judges anyone, secular history is thinking that God that's in man is wimpy, certain sins are just to powerful for god and the sons of God now they afraid of being just a man. nothing can defeat who we really are when awake. what kills man is thought about being separate from God and looking outside.

Luke 17:20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Phili 2: 5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul preached a ton about us having to do that and why we need to let go of sin and walk upright but

you are reading that verse way wrong Jesus is God , we are not we’re man his “ children “ if we believe the gospel he brought forth

“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:12-13‬ ‭

brother if you read my other post it shows where that single verse comes from Paul is saying “ even though Jesus is equal to God he humbled himself and became a. Perfect man obedient and humble until death he’s not saying to have the mind we’re equal to God that’s not a good one to grab onto

if you read on you’ll learn what’s really there and it will change your interpretation just by you looking deeper into pauls letters not just one verse at a time but what’s he really saying ? That Jesus is lord of all and has no equal but showed us how to live and be saved as an example

it’s as simple as this

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s true because of this

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and to reject the word Jesus didn’t come to judge us guilty but to save us if we believe but if we don’t

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭

if we believe the gospel of the kingdom we’re going to be saved but it’s also going to change us and take us from
Our sin and bring us into life it was even preached to the dead after he died

“For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to those locked in the spiritual prisons even from Noah’s time Jesus went and preached to them the word of life

“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭3:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the gospel word is life
 

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do you mean mankind as a whole was with him in the beginning by the spirit he gave us from within himself at creation ? I agree if that’s what you are saying

yes there’s a covenant for this lost earth ( Ishmael ) it corresponds to the cchildren of Israel and thier oromised land the blessing and curse of Moses law

and then there’s one for the next promised world Christs word is what we need to believe .( Isaac, Christ ) or saved our spirit into the kingdom of heaven with Christ in the new Jerusalem until he returns to restore the earth in the end

“Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he is the one preaching about the kingdom of God that next place and the only one who can tell us about eternal
Life , Moses covenant was for this reason

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and it corresponds to this earth and the Jerusalem that exist now on earth it’s lost and desolate was destroyed about 2000 years ago and still has no temple for worship

but as the ot spoke forth we have a new covenant now given by the messiah the new temple of God a new covenant and promises

now we have the righteousness God promised by faith apart from the law through believing the gospel

“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:21-26‬ ‭

the mistake people are making is they won’t hear and receive and believe the things Jesus preached that is the gospel his death and resurrection is part the doorway but he preached the gospel his word is life if believed it can change us inwardly and free us from sin

it doesn’t happen overnight but from faith to faith we grow into life by Gods power and our belief in him
Your secular history will prevent becoming like Jesus you don't believe its an allegory thats thought to be a secular history outside the kingdom of God, outside theology is famous and proves nothing new under the sun and repeated.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Your secular history will prevent becoming like Jesus you don't believe its an allegory thats thought to be a secular history outside the kingdom of God, outside theology is famous and proves nothing new under the sun and repeated.
believing the gospel is to only thing that can make us like Christ

again step into the light

“But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.

But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:27-28, 30, 35-38‬ ‭

avoiding it doesn’t help but accepting and believing it does

why do you totally disregard any point made by scripture and continually tell
Me I’m secular ? Isn’t a secular person the one who rejects scripture and insists on stating thier own opinion ?