Breaker Anointing?

What if someone commits the blasphemy in ignorance not knowing that the Holy Spirit did a work?

Since you quoted me...

In discussions about the Holy Spirit we should use the scriptures as our guide for understanding. This does not limit God's ability to function.

The examples you wrote can, of course, be found in scripture as examples of the power of God. Can you find an example, in the scriptures, of people losing the ability to control their bodily functions? I can:

Nebuchadnezzar, as punishment, is made like an animal of the field (Daniel 4)
A demon made a man mute and unable to speak. (Matthew 9)
A demon made a man blind and mute. (Matthew 12)
A demon-possessed boy has seizures, making him fall into water or fire. (Matthew 17)
A demon-possessed man would cry out and cut himself with stones and break chains. (Mark 5)
A demon-possessed man calls Jesus "The Holy One of God" and throws the man to the ground. (Luke 4)
A demon-possessed slave girl harassed the apostles by shouting "These men are servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to you the way of salvation. (Acts 16)

There are more examples but those will do for now.

To note: these cannot be equated with speaking in tongues and falling prostrate before the presence of the Lord. In such cases, people respond to the majesty of The Lord / God with reverence and awe.

a very legit question

I do not find in scripture where God condemns those who 'do not know what they do'

as has been said many times, God looks on the heart. God's judgement is always righteous and He is loving in all His ways

That's interesting, I don't know that much about Edwards.

However, the point I was making doesn't have to do with any of this. The point is, some of the leaders in the NAR at the time (1990s) tried to make it sound like Edwards was one of their own; but he wasn't. At least on the matter of unbridled expressions of the "spirit."

invincible ignorance comes into play

thanks for clarification

I don’t know what you mean.

"Invincible ignorance, whether of the law or of the fact, is always a valid excuse and excludes sin. The evident reason is that neither this state nor the act resulting therefrom is voluntary. It is undeniable that a man cannot be invincibly ignorant of the natural law, so far as its first principles are concerned, and the inferences easily drawn therefrom. This, however, according to the teaching of St. Thomas, is not true of those remoter conclusions, which are deducible only by a process of laborious and sometimes intricate reasoning. Of these a person may be invincibly ignorant. Even when the invincible ignorance is concomitant, it prevents the act which it accompanies from being regarded as sinful. The perverse temper of soul, which in this case is supposed, retains, of course, such malice as it had.

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Invincible ignorance, whether of the law or fact, exempts one from the penalty which may have been provided by positive legislation. " https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07648a.htm

Some of the proof texts based on principle in the text. A type of Midrash is used that I forget what it was called.

2 Samuel 19:19
And said unto the king, Let not my lord impute iniquity unto me, neither do thou remember that which thy servant did perversely the day that my lord the king went out of Jerusalem, that the king should take it to his heart.

Psalm 32:2
Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Romans 4:8
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.


Romans 5:13

Good News Translation
There was sin in the world before the Law was given; but where there is no law, no account is kept of sins.


Romans 2:13-15

Good News Translation



13 For it is not by hearing the Law that people are put right with God, but by doing what the Law commands. 14 The Gentiles do not have the Law; but whenever they do by instinct what the Law commands, they are their own law, even though they do not have the Law. 15 Their conduct shows that what the Law commands is written in their hearts. Their consciences also show that this is true, since their thoughts sometimes accuse them and sometimes defend them.

Note: Their heart also accuses them too.

"Invincible ignorance is used in Catholic moral theology to refer to the state of persons who are, through no fault of their own, ignorant of the fact that the Christian message is true. It is the opposite of the term vincible ignorance. "

scroll down a little on the page. https://books.google.com/books?id=P... ignorance Bible catholic apologetics&f=false

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/ignorance-invincible-and-vincible

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847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation. "
https://www.americancatholictruthsociety.com/articles/invincible.htm

some questions from the bible answered here.
http://thesplendorofthechurch.com/2...tion-and-refutation-of-sola-fide-faith-alone/

"Invincible ignorance works in a similar fashion, just in the opposite direction. “Inculpable ignorance is not a means of salvation. But if by no fault of the individual ignorance cannot be overcome (if, that is, it is inculpable and invincible), it does not prevent the grace that comes from Christ, a grace that has a relationship with the Church, saving that person.” "
( Rev. Michael Müller C.SS.R., “Invincible or Inculpable Ignorance Neither Saves nor Damns a Person”, The Catholic Dogma )

https://ronconte.com/2015/08/23/invincible-ignorance-in-salvation-theology/

With that said, I would not depend on invincible ignorance to get to heaven. But, a few may.

Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

"Breakthrough" preaching is false. I spent decades searching for this elusive breakthrough that I thought I needed. I heard preaching that Jesus is "Lord of the Breakthrough". There is nothing new under the sun. The problem is I'd get excited, get prayed for and drift back into a nagging sense that I still was not there.

No one who is born again needs a breakthrough. Except to realise that they do not need a breakthrough. I remember the day I saw this as vividly as when I was born again. The day was almost as significant as well. "What is he on about??" I hear you say. Let me explain

God has done all that He is ever going to do and given all that He is ever going to give us spiritually. He may well supply more money, a better house or a better job. Or not. But He has given us everything necessary in the spiritual realm in Christ. We have the love of Christ, the wisdom of Christ, the authority of Christ, the power of Christ, the patience - and everything else that we need for kingdom life.

The Christian life is one of discovery. We have it all, we just don't know it. We also need to know what everything means from God's point of view. We imagine that we know what love is. God's love is vastly superior. I used to think that I could not love God with ally my heart. Then I read that the love of God is in my heart by the Holy Spirit. God commands that I love Him then gives me His love to love Him with.

Christians really are new creations. The old really did pass away when we died with Christ. We really did rise from the dead with Christ. Even if we wanted to, we can do nothing to add to, or take away from, God's perfect salvation. All this He achieved, through Christ, 2,000 years ago. So what can you do? Answer, accept with joy and gladness and live in the light of all that God has done. When you are dissatisfied with where you are at, ask God for more light, then walk in that light as well. That's how we grow. But don't ask God to do what He has already done. That's silly.

2 Peter 1:
2Grace and peace be multiplied to you through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord. 3 His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through the knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence. 4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.…
Emphasis mine.

It's a demon. Just one of countless that set about deceiving anyone gullible enough to accept it.

Good luck with trying to get a response. I've contacted a number of people and fellowships to ask them about something that troubled me. I got an answer once, to the effect that they did not have enough room on their website to talk about Jesus.

just because someone is saved does not stop them from being deceived. 40 years ago a pastor I greatly respected talked about "New Cart" ministries. He was referring to the time that the ark was transported on a cart instead of being carried by Levites. The cart was new and surely was a better idea than carrying it by hand?

God did not think so. The cart wobbled and someone put a hand on the ark to steady it. God killed that man. God does not need our cleverness, ingenuity, bright ideas, reworking the gospel to suit a different generation, or any other psychological tricks. The gospel is still the power of God to save.

people need to pay attention to this ^^^^^^^^^

introducing another rabbit trail then?

no one said a thing about invincible ignorance but you

the question was legit...you took it to the olympics of exaggeration

Do you think there is exactly one specific demon for each idea of Hinduism?

I hear Hindus speaking of 'shakras.' Do you think there is one demon for all shakras that is a shakra demon or one demon for each shakra? How about one demon for each shakra in each Hindu? Or each person in the world? When someone starts doing yoga, do you think a new demon is created or reassigned?

what do you think? you seem to know something about it....so let's hear your best idea

when and where? how many Hindus? you could always ask these Hindus and maybe they could tell you

Just junk I've heard people say over the years about yoga. I read a little about yoga. I do not want to have anything to do with it.

I just notice a trend of calling this or that a 'demon.' Did God tell or show someone that kundalini a demon, one individual demon? how can someone claim to know that otherwise? That is my point.