To the sons of God: The Priesthood of Melchizedek

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Aaron56

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In the genealogies of Jesus (the 42 generations in Matthew and the 62 generations in Luke) we see the deliberate intention of God, consistent with designating man as His heir, to connect us to the most ancient of promises, and especially so as they relate to the most important aspects of human existence: who you are and why you are here. If you do not have those two things well established, you will go through life without direction and purpose. However, once they are established, God will begin to reveal the uniqueness of your presence on the earth both as a son of God, personally, and as a member of the Body of Christ, corporately. Furthermore, we are not simply a collection of individuals with divinely appointed purposes. There is an overarching progression, engineered by God, whereby the function and responsibilities of the corporate son are determined by the specific things God is doing in the earth. So, in short, God appointed the time when you would be here and fashioned the role you would have in the greater purposes of God.

I want to talk about the order of Melchizedek. But first, it’s important to briefly touch on the meaning of a covenant. Covenants are established for the purpose of creating estates. There are rights and duties associated with covenants. Anytime you make a covenant, you have the party of the first part, you have the party of the second part, and they are exchanging values between them. They are exchanging values based on immutable, unchangeable agreements. Once you establish a covenant, it is so immutable; it is so ironclad that then you are able to rely upon the terms and conditions of the covenant forever, or at least until the terms of the covenant have naturally expired. In the case of eternal covenants, they were enacted so that everyone who would be affected by these covenants, whether they knew or were present at the enacting of the covenants or not, would come into the covenant as a beneficial heir, the establishment of the covenant was designed by such immutable conditions that you could rely on them, fundamentally, for your existence, no matter when you showed up on the scene.

Marriage is like that: A man makes a covenant with a woman and a woman makes a covenant with a man. This is a covenant that extends from the point of the agreement until the time of the death of the husband or wife. It is typically expected that they, if they are young, will live a long life within that covenant. The covenant is designed to provide an arrangement whereby an environment of love, care, peace, and good order are established between the couple. Well, what if a baby shows up? That child, although not part of the covenant, becomes a third-party beneficiary of the original covenant. Even though the child was not present at the time the covenant was ratified, he or she still benefits from the environment of peace and good order established between the man and the woman. (I’m speaking ideally of course.)

I apologize but I have to run. I will continue this later.
 

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In the genealogies of Jesus (the 42 generations in Matthew and the 62 generations in Luke) we see the deliberate intention of God, consistent with designating man as His heir, to connect us to the most ancient of promises, and especially so as they relate to the most important aspects of human existence: who you are and why you are here. If you do not have those two things well established, you will go through life without direction and purpose. However, once they are established, God will begin to reveal the uniqueness of your presence on the earth both as a son of God, personally, and as a member of the Body of Christ, corporately. Furthermore, we are not simply a collection of individuals with divinely appointed purposes. There is an overarching progression, engineered by God, whereby the function and responsibilities of the corporate son are determined by the specific things God is doing in the earth. So, in short, God appointed the time when you would be here and fashioned the role you would have in the greater purposes of God.

I want to talk about the order of Melchizedek. But first, it’s important to briefly touch on the meaning of a covenant. Covenants are established for the purpose of creating estates. There are rights and duties associated with covenants. Anytime you make a covenant, you have the party of the first part, you have the party of the second part, and they are exchanging values between them. They are exchanging values based on immutable, unchangeable agreements. Once you establish a covenant, it is so immutable; it is so ironclad that then you are able to rely upon the terms and conditions of the covenant forever, or at least until the terms of the covenant have naturally expired. In the case of eternal covenants, they were enacted so that everyone who would be affected by these covenants, whether they knew or were present at the enacting of the covenants or not, would come into the covenant as a beneficial heir, the establishment of the covenant was designed by such immutable conditions that you could rely on them, fundamentally, for your existence, no matter when you showed up on the scene.

Marriage is like that: A man makes a covenant with a woman and a woman makes a covenant with a man. This is a covenant that extends from the point of the agreement until the time of the death of the husband or wife. It is typically expected that they, if they are young, will live a long life within that covenant. The covenant is designed to provide an arrangement whereby an environment of love, care, peace, and good order are established between the couple. Well, what if a baby shows up? That child, although not part of the covenant, becomes a third-party beneficiary of the original covenant. Even though the child was not present at the time the covenant was ratified, he or she still benefits from the environment of peace and good order established between the man and the woman. (I’m speaking ideally of course.)

I apologize but I have to run. I will continue this later.
I will be back to read more , I’m finding it really interesting and edifying so far thanks for sharing
 

Aaron56

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I will be back to read more , I’m finding it really interesting and edifying so far thanks for sharing
I appreciate your kind words. Thank you.

The most ancient covenant still active to this day is the one between God the Father and God the Son. This covenant was established from the foundation of the world. This covenant framed the whole of creation and, most especially, the creation of man. Let me summarize it (because this is another writing all together). The scriptures say that the Lamb (the Lord Jesus Christ) was slain from the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:8). Yet, thousands of years after the creation of the world, John that Baptist would see Jesus and say “Look! The Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world!”. You know however, that after that, Jesus died on the cross. So what is true? Was the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world or was He slain at Calgary about 2000 ago? Both are true. The covenant between the Father and the Son was binding, immutable. God cannot lie. When God declares something will be done then that thing must come to pass. There is no consideration that the thing will not come true.

So, even though we know Jesus died on the cross before an audience of men and women about 2000 years ago, the covenant that established that occurrence was made before time began with no man present. Furthermore, when God declared “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness” (notice the plural here: God agreeing with the Son) the covenant that would redeem man was already established. God made man knowing He would sin. That’s not saying He made man to save man. He did not make man to save him. Salvation was PART of the covenant, but it was not the end goal. The goal was to make man according to God’s image and likeness. God made man with the specific intent to make him into a son. He knew how to rescue man in light of Adam’s fall. He knew what Adam and man would do, so from the foundation of the world He ordained the salvation of man through the last Adam. Now, the benefit of the covenant is conveyed to anyone who receives Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior (John 1:12,13 “Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God”. The benefit is this: that we, in Christ, become part of the begotten of God, sons of God, who are destined to display the image and likeness of their father, the Living God.

I will continue in a moment.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Amen

“God cannot lie. When God declares something will be done then that thing must come to pass.”

yes indeed he speaks forst and then when the time comes it becomes visible to man , but it exists as the word of the creator creates forth from his word. In other words he speaks the end of things from the beginning of things and it is what creates any and everything

transgression of his creative word creates what he warned us of , and acceptance and belief of his creative word creates the blessing and effect of what he said in us and for us. Your really speaking from good and solid faith brother I’m incredibly intrigued by your posts here in this particular thread really good stuff

“The goal was to make man according to God’s image and likeness. God made man with the specific intent to make him into a son. He knew how to rescue man in light of Adam’s fall. He knew what Adam and man would do, so from the foundation of the world He ordained the salvation of man through the last Adam.”

“In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away. Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:15-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬



“Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:15-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I’m gonna stop and wait so we don’t get off track a lot of what you are saying I recognize in scripture but am curious about melchezidek immensely
 

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Reconciliation is an accounting term. See, there is much about the scriptures we do not understand because we read them from a religious position and from the position of an orphan. So, we’ll determine what the scriptures mean, often by our own knowledge and understanding, and then hold God to account by doing what we think the scriptures say to do. We say “Okay God, I did thus and such, now bless me” or something similar like that. Or we memorize scripture passages and recite them like magical incantations to ward against evil and emotional turmoil. We don’t realize that the scriptures represent a legal testament written to the believers, saints, and sons of God. All who legitimately seek the Truth will find it in the testimony of the scriptures. And, because God cannot lie, these legally binding truths are meant to be anchors for our soul as we traverse the world.

So, anyway, reconciliation is an accounting term. It means to be brought back to an original standard. When we are reconciled to God we are brought back to the original intent of God to have man share His image and Likeness. So here is the amazing thing about Melchizedek: The pattern for the priesthood of Melchizedek is the perfect Son, who is also the High Priest of that order. We are not priests of different orders. There is only one active priestly administration in the earth today, the order of Melchizedek. And there is only one pattern of priestly office: The Lord Christ Jesus. Furthermore, where the order of Levi served various activities as an order of doing, the order of Melchizedek is an order of being.

Consider what Hebrews 7:3 records about Melchizedek “Without father or mother or genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God, he remains a priest for all time.”

And consider John 1:12,13 which I already shared “Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God”.

This is the likeness and image of our Lord. Melchizedek was like the Son of God. This is the priestly order into which all sons of God are called. Being like our Father and putting on display His love and character in the earth, being a son of God, is the reason the covenant between the Father and Son was established.

Furthermore, all of the requirements of the order of Levi govern the washing of the body. Externally, you had to meet the standards of Levi to be a functional priest in that order. In our order, the requirements of the priestly order govern the soul. Not our spirits, mind you, because our spirits already testify with the Holy Spirit that we are the sons of God. So, there is a working in our souls that is required for the qualifications to handle greater aspects of our priestly responsibilities.

And finally, unlike the priestly order of Aaron or Levi or Moses, where the priests represented the people before God. The priests of the order of Melchizedek, of which Christ is our pattern High Priest forever, represent God the Father before the people. This is, of course, the original standard for which God made man: to represent Him in all of creation. In Christ, we are reconciled to this standard.

“As my Father has sent me, I also send you”.

Grace and Peace,

Aaron56
 

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I want to talk about the order of Melchizedek.
I apologize but I have to run. I will continue this later.
I think a post talking about Melchizedek would be marvelous, but this post gets to no point, it is simply a ramble and of no use. Our Lord speaks clearly making clear statements, our Lord has nothing to do with rambling on and on. And of all things, you apologize for not going on even further with your mutterings.

Melchinzedek was not only a king of the people, but a priest of the Lord. Later priests were of the order of the Levi.

In Psalm 110 we are told: “’You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.’” as it speaks of Christ.
 

Aaron56

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I think a post talking about Melchizedek would be marvelous, but this post gets to no point, it is simply a ramble and of no use.
Pilgrimshope said:
I will be back to read more , I’m finding it really interesting and edifying so far thanks for sharing
Wow! Such a wide spectrum! :cool:
 

Pilgrimshope

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Reconciliation is an accounting term. See, there is much about the scriptures we do not understand because we read them from a religious position and from the position of an orphan. So, we’ll determine what the scriptures mean, often by our own knowledge and understanding, and then hold God to account by doing what we think the scriptures say to do. We say “Okay God, I did thus and such, now bless me” or something similar like that. Or we memorize scripture passages and recite them like magical incantations to ward against evil and emotional turmoil. We don’t realize that the scriptures represent a legal testament written to the believers, saints, and sons of God. All who legitimately seek the Truth will find it in the testimony of the scriptures. And, because God cannot lie, these legally binding truths are meant to be anchors for our soul as we traverse the world.

So, anyway, reconciliation is an accounting term. It means to be brought back to an original standard. When we are reconciled to God we are brought back to the original intent of God to have man share His image and Likeness. So here is the amazing thing about Melchizedek: The pattern for the priesthood of Melchizedek is the perfect Son, who is also the High Priest of that order. We are not priests of different orders. There is only one active priestly administration in the earth today, the order of Melchizedek. And there is only one pattern of priestly office: The Lord Christ Jesus. Furthermore, where the order of Levi served various activities as an order of doing, the order of Melchizedek is an order of being.

Consider what Hebrews 7:3 records about Melchizedek “Without father or mother or genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God, he remains a priest for all time.”

And consider John 1:12,13 which I already shared “Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God”.

This is the likeness and image of our Lord. Melchizedek was like the Son of God. This is the priestly order into which all sons of God are called. Being like our Father and putting on display His love and character in the earth, being a son of God, is the reason the covenant between the Father and Son was established.

Furthermore, all of the requirements of the order of Levi govern the washing of the body. Externally, you had to meet the standards of Levi to be a functional priest in that order. In our order, the requirements of the priestly order govern the soul. Not our spirits, mind you, because our spirits already testify with the Holy Spirit that we are the sons of God. So, there is a working in our souls that is required for the qualifications to handle greater aspects of our priestly responsibilities.

And finally, unlike the priestly order of Aaron or Levi or Moses, where the priests represented the people before God. The priests of the order of Melchizedek, of which Christ is our pattern High Priest forever, represent God the Father before the people. This is, of course, the original standard for which God made man: to represent Him in all of creation. In Christ, we are reconciled to this standard.

“As my Father has sent me, I also send you”.

Grace and Peace,

Aaron56
again the same great stuff really extremely edifying and echoes the scriptures correctly when they are brought together

I would like to have a private conversation with you regarding something in my own life , if that’s okay ? I will message not right now but soon if I’m not intruding
 

Aaron56

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again the same great stuff really extremely edifying and echoes the scriptures correctly when they are brought together

I would like to have a private conversation with you regarding something in my own life , if that’s okay ? I will message not right now but soon if I’m not intruding
Of course. I assume there is a private message function on this site but I’ve never used it.:)

Edit: Oh I see. “Start conversation” (y)
 

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Of course. I assume there is a private message function on this site but I’ve never used it.:)

Edit: Oh I see. “Start conversation” (y)
in open may be better so here was my interest in hearing your view on “sons “ of the new covenant

is there a point in our walk where we are being promoted into sonship through the new covenant presided over by Jesus the high priest of the true order ?

and is that when we start feeling new things that aren’t always pleasant , yet shouldn’t terrify us ? So along the lines of sonship regarding discipline me the heaviness of the lords hand upon his children in the world at times ?

I hope this makes sense it’s a difficult thing for me to pit into words I pray your able to consider how this ties to the priesthood of the sons of God

I feel as if I’m here and it’s a new experience I’m hoping you will have some insight because I feel deeply it’s due to some things I have learned recently

“And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:5-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m really struggling with not fainting because his hand is working on me , I know it’s for my good , but it truly is crushing weight sorry it’s disorganized my thoughts are a bit frazzled on this matter

I would appreciate any input you might be able to consider and share thanks brother for taking the time
 

Aaron56

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I understand your question. I discern two parts: when do we become sons? and what do we do about the punishment from the Lord?

Let deal with the second question 1st: the punishment. I must be brief for now as I have just a little time at the moment. I can add more later or answer your questions.

The word used there, scourge or punish, is related to exercise, perfecting a skill, or difficulty. We might say, in English vernacular "Man! The coach really punished us today!" or "The last leg of the race was really punishing!". This is the loving hand of Lord on you knowing the manner and type of direction you need. We can also relate this to the baptism of fire, where the Lord burns out of our souls any hindrance to growth and maturity.

I don't know your struggle, but if you are being crushed under the weight of your past then consider water baptism, for a sign to the powers and principalities that you are dead in Christ.

For the 1st question: there are several words for "son". And a son of God is neither male of female. A son bears within himself the likeness and image of his Father.

At first, a son is an infant, and then a toddler, a teenager, a young man, and then a fully mature son. You will find these examples in the scriptures, distinct with different words.

John 1:12 says "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God..."

Here, "children" is "teenager" or in the Greek teknon. This is a son who has demonstrated ability in handling the things of God. And it is our right, as infants of God (everyone is an infant son upon conversion or nepios in the Greek) to become teknon. We then want to progress to be a huios or a fully mature son who can handle his Father's business.

Have to run. I will check this thread later this evening.

Grace and Peace,

Aaron56
 

Pilgrimshope

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Thanks brother and there’s no rush just whenever you have time it’s welcome

I don’t think that it’s just my past , my behavior has changed immensely from what I used to act in , I don’t feel as if o am condemned by my past sins , but as if I’m being warned thoroughly and shown reality a fainting of soul and spirit within me seems near but never comes equally I know it’s a good thing though everything in my flesh is weak and weary
 

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but as if I’m being warned thoroughly and shown reality a fainting of soul and spirit within me seems near but never comes equally I know it’s a good thing though everything in my flesh is weak and weary
Brother, can you explain this in more detail?
 

Pilgrimshope

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Brother, can you explain this in more detail?
I can try but I’m not sure I can I haven’t understood it myself is why it is so out of order and hard to grasp what I’m saying, if I don’t understand something my words have no order and become as that post it’s more seeking insight or thought and consideration from you particularly given your understanding of the changing of the priesthood to melchezidek and the word of Christ

because I’m certain that subject is connected to my situation

I look upon the gospel often , daily filling my heart and mind with his word meditating and walking in it as best I’m able , for awhile there was no pressure for a time no burden or weight I bore in that , now I feel the weight of the cross

keeping this apparent in my mind as best I can , I can’t hear it as a warning to stop but rather an exhortation to press forward with all I have in it
“And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself,

neither did according to his will,

shall be beaten with many stripes.

But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭


I know it’s tied to the heavenly thkngs of the new priesthood because it’s a spiritual thing a weight I’m carrying I just don’t understand it . I’m sorry I’m probably confusing you and I’m definately confused regarding this situation but I have some prayers on my side from some brethren and family in Christ and really was just moved to talk with you because of the subject matter I’m perceive you have a good if not imperfect yet , grasp upon regarding melchezidek and his covenant priesthood of the Children of God

I appreciate any input or whatever you might offer or consider in prayer , but please don’t feel obligated tommake sense of me at the moment regarding this matter I’m a bit unsure
 

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I just checked this before turning in. I will reply this weekend. Given the personal nature, it would be best to continue through email or some other means. Let me know what you prefer.

Peace,
Aaron56
 

Pilgrimshope

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I just checked this before turning in. I will reply this weekend. Given the personal nature, it would be best to continue through email or some other means. Let me know what you prefer.

Peace,
Aaron56
I have no reason to hide from it brother I had thought that at forst also but let what is done in secret be known in the daylight , I appreciate your time and will talk to you this weekend be blessed in the good Lord who loves us
 
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As man is made in the image of God. It makes God to be the great goel.
In spite of how we chose to look at our close relatives God is our closest relative and he has accepted to be mankind's goel...(redeemer).
 

Aaron56

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I have no reason to hide from it brother I had thought that at forst also but let what is done in secret be known in the daylight , I appreciate your time and will talk to you this weekend be blessed in the good Lord who loves us
I must insist and I know from experience: Our conversation must continue through private means.
 

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As man is made in the image of God. It makes God to be the great goel.
In spite of how we chose to look at our close relatives God is our closest relative and he has accepted to be mankind's goel...(redeemer).
Amen! He is the Father of our spirits.