PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE GET THE COVID SHOT.

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Status
Not open for further replies.
F

flygplan

Guest
i would like your input on this: Truth = Your pic of coffee encouraged me to make a fresh cup of vaxx free delicious 'french drip' coffee.

once again, seeing your pic, i am moving toward another fresh cup - again with 'no added spike proteins' to interfere/control/compete with my God given RNA.

is this passive/aggressive
No, but the post reply was not directed to you. I also don't know what the "vaxx" has to do with my coffee picture. I do appreciate talking about coffee because I like it, and it's good that it motivated you to do so :)
 
Aug 2, 2021
7,317
2,048
113
No, but the post was not directed to you. I also don't know what the "vaxx" has to do with my coffee picture. I do appreciate talking about coffee because I like it, and it's good that it motivated you to do so :)
i know, just wanted to have a little fun with You - not against you - and i agree with your assesment on our biggest problem as christians (myself included).

For this thread i have info for you: https://thefreedomarticles.com/not-a-vaccine-mrna-covid-vaccine-chemical-pathogen-device/
 
F

flygplan

Guest
i know, just wanted to have a little fun with You - not against you - and i agree with your assesment on our biggest problem as christians (myself included).

For this thread i have info for you: https://thefreedomarticles.com/not-a-vaccine-mrna-covid-vaccine-chemical-pathogen-device/
Thanks, as for sources (for me, myself) that I usually would use to inform myself I rather go to either universities, even independent scientific research groups, some place that doesn't have a politics agenda of either side. But that's me. Thanks for the link though.
 
Aug 2, 2021
7,317
2,048
113
Thanks, as for sources (for me, myself) that I usually would use to inform myself I rather go to either universities, even independent scientific research groups, some place that doesn't have a politics agenda of either side. But that's me. Thanks for the link though.
Ditto- the whole damn vaxx thing is a Political Agenda designed to conquer, through the fear of man and his evil inventions, our freedoms of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
 
F

flygplan

Guest
WOW - the whole damn vaxx thing is a Political Agenda designed to conquer, through the fear of man and his evil inventions, our freedoms of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
WOW - the whole damn vaxx thing is a Political Agenda designed to conquer, through the fear of man and his evil inventions, our freedoms of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
That's what you think. I'm not going into that rabbit hole anymore :)
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,738
6,738
113
Perhaps this illustration will help explain the risks and the rewards with a vaccine.

Suppose I have two options, treatment for a sick person that is 99.5% effective or a vaccine which will protect from 99.9% of the Covid19 virus.

One sick person with Covid will generate hundreds of millions of virus, every one is slightly different from the other. If I am vaccinated and am protected against 99.9% of 100 million viruses then only 100,000 will get through. Probably not enough for me to even have any symptoms. However, all these will still generate new viruses for which the vaccine will probably be less effective. Now it may be that 1 % get through to the next vaccinated person and on down the line until you have a virulent strain like the Delta variant that can infect vaccinated and unvaccinated equally. If you had been able to go into a population and vaccinate everyone on day 1 then you could have stamped out the "fire" with the vaccine. But if you can't do that then all the vaccine is doing for a Covid virus (they mutate) is creating an environment where those variants that the vaccine does not protect you against is favored. How frequently will these variants arise? Depends on the size of the population, but since this has gone worldwide into hundreds of millions of people they will be created frequently, perhaps every six months.

Still, its' better than the treatment, right? Nope.

We are only treating those who are sick enough to go to the hospital which may only be 5% of those who get infected. If 20 million people in America get infected that is 1 million people. That is not enough to create an environment that favors resistant strains. Also, the people in the hospital that die, that virus doesn't get transmitted once the person dies. The people who survive are immune. Contrast that with vaccinating 80% of 350 million, 280 million people.
 
Aug 2, 2021
7,317
2,048
113
That's what you think. I'm not going into that rabbit hole anymore :)
PEACE and Good Coffee - i just want to point out that a one sided discussion is that hole whereas, seeking for Truth and Scientific Facts go hand in hand.
i have listened to both sides. i made the decision to believe the science, not the science fiction.

Nice talking with you and have great day - stay healthy.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,738
6,738
113
Evidence that the vaccine actually exacerbates the problem. Yet on Monday the FDA will authorize Pfizer as an approved vaccine and then they can legally mandate it. We are seeing revolts by moms, nurses and health care workers. Please note, the Pfizer vaccine is only 39% effective against Delta variant. The vaccine doesn't protect you from getting it or transmitting it. Please note that the guidelines for approval has to be 50% effective.

https://rumble.com/vlhuup-dr-reveals-stunning-truth-about-covid-vaccine.html
 

Handyman62

Well-known member
Jan 10, 2021
602
267
63
Rural South Carolina
No, It's not obvious to me, however, thanks for the "prayers" though nice passive aggressive move, I think looking at the wrong signs and then making judgment is/has been one of the biggest problems in us Christians.
Passive aggressive is my middle name. But I digress. If you want to run cover for him then be my guest., and I will continue to call things as I see them.
 
Jul 28, 2021
1,226
406
83
PEACE and Good Coffee - i just want to point out that a one sided discussion is that hole whereas, seeking for Truth and Scientific Facts go hand in hand.
i have listened to both sides. i made the decision to believe the science, not the science fiction.

Nice talking with you and have great day - stay healthy.

I CRINGE every time someone says "stay healthy" or "stay safe". Basically it means "obey your masters with social distancing, mask wearing and taking the poison injection".

.
 

CherieR

Senior Member
May 6, 2017
2,271
1,429
113
I CRINGE every time someone says "stay healthy" or "stay safe". Basically it means "obey your masters with social distancing, mask wearing and taking the poison injection".

.
It could mean the person saying it wishes good health and safety for another person. A person saying stay healthy and safe may believe or may not believe in social distancing, mask wearing and taking vaccines. It is also possible one may believe in some of those things but not in others.
 
Jul 28, 2021
1,226
406
83
It could mean the person saying it wishes good health and safety for another person. A person saying stay healthy and safe may believe or may not believe in social distancing, mask wearing and taking vaccines. It is also possible one may believe in some of those things but not in others.
I still cringe because it has become a "thing" ever since this scamdemic was launched.

.
 

Aidan1

Well-known member
Mar 17, 2021
1,680
705
113
Everything - it is the covenant of truth, which you struggle with.
What has Gods word to do with the v
The vaxx is not a vaccine.

"This is a mRNA packaged in a fat envelope that is delivered to a cell. It is a medical device designed to stimulate the human cell into becoming a pathogen creator. It is not a vaccine! Vaccines actually are a legally defined term … under public health law … under CDC and FDA standards, a vaccine specifically has to stimulate both an immunity within the person receiving it, but it also has to disrupt transmission … They have been abundantly clear in saying that the mRNA strand that is going into the cell is not to stop transmission. It is a treatment. But if it was discussed as a treatment, it would not get the sympathetic ear of public health authorities, because then people would say “What other treatments are there?” - Dr. David Martin (and many Doctors & Scientists agree).
Well then you should accept that the meaning of David Martin is not automaticly correct. The mrna is going for a short time in the cell but not in the nucleus. Mrna cant change the dna. Btw the vaccine is only going in the muscles cells near the injection aerea.
And gives the information to build an Antigen against the Virus. So that the immunsystem can renember later to the Virus. This is called vaccination.
Of course it s a new method which is uesing no part of the virus. As we know it from other vaccines.
But this makes it not to a poison which depopulate the mankind. Which is still not proofed. Or a poison which changes the dna.
Or a poison which makes woman and man barren. Non of this claimes are proofed.
But you treat this claimes as the only truth.
And who dont believe this, has problems with understanding God.
And again, it would not be the first time that people believe God has spoken to them and finally it was something else but God.
 

Smoke

Senior Member
Oct 27, 2016
1,654
605
113
The vaxx is not a vaccine.

"This is a mRNA packaged in a fat envelope that is delivered to a cell. It is a medical device designed to stimulate the human cell into becoming a pathogen creator. It is not a vaccine! Vaccines actually are a legally defined term … under public health law … under CDC and FDA standards, a vaccine specifically has to stimulate both an immunity within the person receiving it, but it also has to disrupt transmission … They have been abundantly clear in saying that the mRNA strand that is going into the cell is not to stop transmission. It is a treatment. But if it was discussed as a treatment, it would not get the sympathetic ear of public health authorities, because then people would say “What other treatments are there?” - Dr. David Martin (and many Doctors & Scientists agree).
Debunked

Conspiracy theories on social media have circulated for months regarding the mRNA technology used in the COVID-19 vaccines. Recent claims have emerged that state the vaccines don’t fit the medical definition of vaccines and haven’t passed safety tests. An expert in vaccines explained to VERIFY why those statements are wrong.



THE QUESTION

Do existing COVID-19 vaccines fail to meet the medical definition of vaccines and can they alter DNA?

THE ANSWER

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Department of Health and Human Services and a vaccinology expert confirm there is no single medical definition of a vaccine, but COVID-19 vaccines meet the generally accepted criteria that requires a vaccine to prevent disease by building immunity.

They cannot change your DNA.

WHY ARE WE VERIFYING

Claims online are spreading misinformation about the safety of the COVID-19 vaccine stemming from confusion around how the vaccine utilizes mRNA to help you build immunity. People have falsely claimed for months that it can alter DNA and are now claiming it’s not even a vaccine.

WHAT WE FOUND

Many of these claims talk about “the medical definition of a vaccine,” but there isn’t just one single definition. The CDC and the HHS define vaccines as aids to prevent disease.

The CDC’s specific definition says vaccines are “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.”

The HHS says on its vaccines.gov website that a vaccine “is made from very small amounts of weak or dead germs that can cause diseases — for example, viruses, bacteria, or toxins. It prepares your body to fight the disease faster and more effectively so you won’t get sick.”

Dr. Daniel Salmon, who is trained in vaccinology and is a professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, explained that vaccines are preventive “and a preventative vaccine is something you give to your body that stimulates an immune response, so when you're exposed to the natural infection, your body will already be prepared to respond.”



“Certainly, the COVID vaccines fall into that category of being preventative vaccines,” he added.

He also dismissed the claims that the vaccines will alter a patient's DNA. “People think ‘oh my God, it's gonna change my DNA, or it's somehow altering my DNA,' and that's not the case at all. If you think about it, if you eat an apple, you've just eaten the DNA of an apple, that doesn't mean that it's going to change your DNA, it's certainly not going to turn you into an apple.”

He also made clear that these vaccines — like any other vaccine or new drug — go over several trials before their release to the general population. He said that by the time a vaccine reaches authorization, or emergency authorization in the case of the COVID-19 vaccines, the FDA and external experts have already looked over data from trials. They’ll continue that observation as more people receive the vaccines.

The technology behind the creation of the vaccine has been in development for a decade, he added. It’s not something that happened in the last year.

“I understand that new technologies can create a bit of apprehension, but the technology behind this vaccine has been worked on for over a decade,” he said. “It was created if a pandemic were to emerge, which is exactly where we are. This is the first vaccine using it.”

Check the media bias of kare11 as a source here
 
Aug 2, 2021
7,317
2,048
113
What has Gods word to do with the v


Well then you should accept that the meaning of David Martin is not automaticly correct. The mrna is going for a short time in the cell but not in the nucleus. Mrna cant change the dna. Btw the vaccine is only going in the muscles cells near the injection aerea.
And gives the information to build an Antigen against the Virus. So that the immunsystem can renember later to the Virus. This is called vaccination.
Of course it s a new method which is uesing no part of the virus. As we know it from other vaccines.
But this makes it not to a poison which depopulate the mankind. Which is still not proofed. Or a poison which changes the dna.
Or a poison which makes woman and man barren. Non of this claimes are proofed.
But you treat this claimes as the only truth.
And who dont believe this, has problems with understanding God.
And again, it would not be the first time that people believe God has spoken to them and finally it was something else but God.
Truth vs Lies
Science vs science fiction
The Word vs the flood out of the mouth of the Dragon
 
Aug 2, 2021
7,317
2,048
113
Debunked

Conspiracy theories on social media have circulated for months regarding the mRNA technology used in the COVID-19 vaccines. Recent claims have emerged that state the vaccines don’t fit the medical definition of vaccines and haven’t passed safety tests. An expert in vaccines explained to VERIFY why those statements are wrong.



THE QUESTION

Do existing COVID-19 vaccines fail to meet the medical definition of vaccines and can they alter DNA?

THE ANSWER

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Department of Health and Human Services and a vaccinology expert confirm there is no single medical definition of a vaccine, but COVID-19 vaccines meet the generally accepted criteria that requires a vaccine to prevent disease by building immunity.

They cannot change your DNA.

WHY ARE WE VERIFYING

Claims online are spreading misinformation about the safety of the COVID-19 vaccine stemming from confusion around how the vaccine utilizes mRNA to help you build immunity. People have falsely claimed for months that it can alter DNA and are now claiming it’s not even a vaccine.

WHAT WE FOUND

Many of these claims talk about “the medical definition of a vaccine,” but there isn’t just one single definition. The CDC and the HHS define vaccines as aids to prevent disease.

The CDC’s specific definition says vaccines are “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.”

The HHS says on its vaccines.gov website that a vaccine “is made from very small amounts of weak or dead germs that can cause diseases — for example, viruses, bacteria, or toxins. It prepares your body to fight the disease faster and more effectively so you won’t get sick.”

Dr. Daniel Salmon, who is trained in vaccinology and is a professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, explained that vaccines are preventive “and a preventative vaccine is something you give to your body that stimulates an immune response, so when you're exposed to the natural infection, your body will already be prepared to respond.”



“Certainly, the COVID vaccines fall into that category of being preventative vaccines,” he added.

He also dismissed the claims that the vaccines will alter a patient's DNA. “People think ‘oh my God, it's gonna change my DNA, or it's somehow altering my DNA,' and that's not the case at all. If you think about it, if you eat an apple, you've just eaten the DNA of an apple, that doesn't mean that it's going to change your DNA, it's certainly not going to turn you into an apple.”

He also made clear that these vaccines — like any other vaccine or new drug — go over several trials before their release to the general population. He said that by the time a vaccine reaches authorization, or emergency authorization in the case of the COVID-19 vaccines, the FDA and external experts have already looked over data from trials. They’ll continue that observation as more people receive the vaccines.

The technology behind the creation of the vaccine has been in development for a decade, he added. It’s not something that happened in the last year.

“I understand that new technologies can create a bit of apprehension, but the technology behind this vaccine has been worked on for over a decade,” he said. “It was created if a pandemic were to emerge, which is exactly where we are. This is the first vaccine using it.”

Check the media bias of kare11 as a source here
I see you are speaking on behalf of those who are for the vaxx = the Beast.
 

Billyd

Senior Member
May 8, 2014
5,233
1,640
113
I had decided to leave this thread, but I read our area hospitalization report.

The garbage that has been spread about vaccinations is responsible for the hospitalization and deaths in this area. I wonder how many people will get sick and/or die from the gross misinformation that has been spread by people like the antivaxers on this and other sites.

"More than 2,700 people were hospitalized with COVID-19 – more than five times the number hospitalized a month ago. Fifty of those were pediatric patients; nine of those children are on ventilators. Cases among children reached the highest point since the pandemic started and were four times higher in the first 18 days of August than the same time last year."

"Death reports from hospitals were in the double digits each day – 56 deaths on Thursday; 43 the day before; 45 the day before that and on and on. Although, it might be another month before those numbers are confirmed and reflected in official state data."

“What’s most discouraging about these numbers – all these numbers – is that because the severe illness and virtually all the deaths are occurring in unvaccinated people, we feel like this was preventable,” said Dr. Scott Harris, the state’s health officer. “These people did not have to die. These people did not have to be in the hospital. Vaccination would have prevented most of that, and that’s extraordinarily frustrating for us and incredibly sad for the families, for the loved ones of the people that are no longer with us.”

Enough is enough. Go to your prayer closet, get on your knees, and seek God's forgiveness for your complacency in the current surge in sickness, hospitalizations, and deaths that has resulted from lack of vaccination.

source
https://dothaneagle.com/news/local/...cle_bb6215f4-01f2-11ec-ad17-53d6e52ae5d5.html
 
Status
Not open for further replies.