Dark Lights

Kidron · Aug 3, 2021

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Let me show you something about the Devil.

A.) The devil is real.
Believe it.

His ministers are "ministers of RIGHTEOUSNESS"> 2nd Corinthians 11: 14,15
What does that mean?
It means they talk about God and Christ and teach works, law and commandment keeping, in place of God's "gift of Salvation".

What does that mean.?
It means that the Devil's ministers, FAKE FRUIT.
They FAKE Christianity.
See that?

Let me explain that one to you as you have to know how to HEAR these people.

Saint...The Devil is Clever.
He is the god of this world.
He has spent more time analyzing the "greek texts" and the 'KJV"< than you , or me, or anyone.
He knows the bible.
He know this verse...>"by their fruit you shall know them"....So, what he does is counterfeit it.
He gets his people, the DECEIVED, to talk christianese. These are his "ministers of Righteousness". 2nd Corinthians 11:14,15
They teach the word, they build churches....they bear FRUIT, they start christian forums, and its all rotten and fake, yet it seems REAL.

"seems real" is how the devil deceives you using his "ministers of righteousness".

You've seen a banana that is perfect. Its all yellow and beautiful.
Then you peel it, and inside the center is BLACK.
See that?
Thats a FAKE Christian on a forum, or in a pulpit, standing there talking about OLD TESTAMENT LAW and SELF EFFORT, Worrying you about SELF EFFORT to STAY SAVED,......instead of talking about the CROSS and the BLOOD OF JESUS. They will try to always get you up on the Cross trying to keep yourself saved as their gospel is all about "losing salvation". Ive had these sons of the devil recently yelling at me...>"NO, THE BLOOD OF JESUS DOES NOT KEEP YOU SAVED"...!!

So, never try to discern who is a real believer, vs who isn't.... based on if they are good to the poor, and teach Sunday School, and your mother thinks they are nice.. As that is exactly what the devil's "ministers of righteousness"= FAKE.

How to know if you are dealing with the devil's deceived?

1) Find out if they believe that Jesus >keeps them saved<, or not.
2.) Find out if they are tying to get to heaven, not by the blood of Jesus, but by SELF EFFORT. (commandment keeping, enduring to the end, water baptism, works, etc.)
Find out if they teach the Devil's Gospel of .. The Cross + WORKS... The Cross + Commandment keeping..... The CROSS + something....
When you see them write this false gospel, or you hear the preach it, you have found a : DARK LIGHT.
A dark light is a person who is faith and truth subverted. They have believed in their deception, and that is become their TRUTH that they believe and teach.

Jesus said...>"be careful that the light that is in you, is not DARKNESS".

See that?
That is DECEPTION. And those that have that darkness, are "dark light"....They teach LIGHT, or theology, or wisdom, or knowledge, but its DARKNESS, its anti-truth, that sounds like truth, yet it always denies the finished work of Jesus on the Cross. It alway adds SELF EFFORT to God's Grace, as the dark LIGHT.

Jesus said......""Make sure that the light you think you have is not actually darkness."" "be careful that the light that is in you, is not DARKNESS".....Luke 11:35

See that?
That is THE DECEPTION.
And those that have that darkness, are "dark lights"....They teach LIGHT, or theology, or wisdom, or knowledge, but its DARKNESS, its anti-truth that sounds like truth, yet it always denies the finished work of Jesus on the Cross.
It alway adds SELF EFFORT to God's Grace, as the dark "LIGHT", which is the subversion, the twisting of the Gospel of the Grace of God, into legalism. (self effort to stay saved).

Kidron · Aug 24, 2021

Can a "dark light" be born again?
Yes., and that makes them very dangerous to a new believer, as the dark light's theology, can ruin the faith of a Child of God, especially the baby Christian.

I wish i could offer you one forum where these heretics are not basically in control, but, there isn't one.

Worthy Christian Forum........ of which i worked on it over 2 yrs, is the cleanest, regarding the lowest number of self saving legalistic dark lights who post there....

AandW · Aug 24, 2021

Kidron said:

Can a "dark light" be born again?
Yes., and that makes them very dangerous to a new believer, as the dark light's theology, can ruin the faith of a Child of God, especially the baby Christian.

I wish i could offer you one forum where these heretics are not basically in control, but, there isn't one.

Worthy Christian Forum........ of which i worked on it over 2 yrs, is the cleanest, regarding the lowest number of self saving legalistic dark lights who post there....

Are you claiming there are Dark Lights on the forums of Christian Chat?

Kidron · Aug 24, 2021

AandW said:

Here is what my Thread asks, and keep in mind that this Thread was read and approved by a Mod before it was allowed to be revealed on the Forum.
You need to know that....
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So......How to know if you are dealing with the devil's deceived?

1) Find out if they believe that Jesus >keeps them saved<, or not.

2.) Find out if they are tying to get to heaven, not by the blood of Jesus, but by SELF EFFORT. (commandment keeping, enduring to the end, water baptism, works, etc.)

Find out if they teach the Devil's Gospel of .. The Cross + WORKS... The Cross + Commandment keeping..... The CROSS + something....
And......When you see them write this false gospel, or you hear the preach it,= you have found a : DARK LIGHT.
A dark light is a person who is faith and truth "subverted", according to the Apostle Paul..... Titus 3:11
And this is based on their inability to agree with Titus 3: 5-7
. They have believed instead, in their deception, and that is become their FALSE TRUTH that they believe and teach that is this.. Galatians 1:8

Jesus said...>"be careful that the light that is in you, is not DARKNESS".
He's not kidding.

glen55 · Aug 24, 2021

Kidron said:

Any outside belief waiting for Jesus (an allegory ) to return is darkness.

2Cor 13:5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? To me you sound like an outside expert

Romans 2: 28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Outside looking won't be known by Jesus in you. Reading the bible with secular history is called nothing new under the sun and keeps repeating! To wake up to being a son of god before creation then just being a son of man will understood as just like what Jesus went through to show you inside is Gods kingdom.

Luke17:20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Eph 5: 12For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. 13But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

Phil 2:5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Your light probably small and dark.
Ecclesiastes 3:15:

“That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.”

AandW · Aug 24, 2021

Kidron said:

There is literally nothing we could possibly think of and do that could reward us Heaven, in terms of God and the Heavenly Realm, where My Father has many Mansions at. We only were able to believe the Calling from God to our personal lives because He put us into position when He Spoke we heard. Then we Believed because we know we Heard. So He even established Faith for us. Our Faith is what God gave to us. And we are only Victorious because we utilize these gifts of Belief and Faith because we Heard Him when He invited us into His Fold. And the Benefits of His shed Blood provides Eternal Life, Removal of Sins, Protection, Healing, we are perfectly covered like Job with God's Hedge through His Blood!

Kidron · Aug 25, 2021

AandW said:

The blood of Jesus, that has paid for our sin, is the reason God is able to receive us as His own.
SIN separated us from God, so God came here to die as Christ on the Cross, so that by the shedding of God's Blood and by the offering of Jesus's DEATH, we can be redeemed, and received back into God's eternal Family.
The resurrection of Christ, proves that God's mission has been completed.

Kidron · Aug 25, 2021

glen55 said:

Are you saying that Jesus is not coming back?
That these verses are not true?

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord JESUS shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Jackson123 · Aug 25, 2021

Kidron said:

What is finished work of the cross
Is that after believe Jesus as God keep a job as murder and Rober don't need repent and still go to heaven?
I think this is dark light doctrine a doctrine that encourage people to do criminal
Jesus doctrine is clear to love not to murder

SophieT · Aug 25, 2021

Kidron said:

huh

I am still a member there but don't post anymore...be careful though. this forum might think you are advertising

they are pretty highly moderated though and would not tolerate much of what is tolerated here

it's an education when you see or read what people believe and these people will be sitting near you in church if you go to one and you have no clue unless you interact with them

but you can see the devil's plan for tearing down the truth and creating a false representation of Christ...been going on for a few thousand years now

BUT:

25“I already told you,” Jesus replied, “but you did not believe. The works I do in My Father’s name testify on My behalf. 26But because you are not My sheep, you refuse to believe. 27My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me.

28I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand. 29My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.” John 10

AND:

35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written:

“For Your sake we face death all day long;

we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”

37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.
38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,
39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8

Jackson123 · Aug 25, 2021

SophieT said:

Jesus sheep listen to His voice

And this is His main voice

Matt 22

[34] But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
[35] Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and great commandment.
[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Jackson123 · Aug 25, 2021

Seem to me when Paul say salvation by grace trough faith or by finish work of cross is against Jews that believe salvation by Old Testament law like circumcision, sabbath law etc.
Paul not against the fruit of Holy Spirit like love other, love Jesus teaching etc
To my knowledge, some people translate what Paul say salvation not by work mean go a head to rob the bank as long as you believe Jesus as God you go to heaven

To me that is wrong interpretation.
I am not under OT law, I go to church on Sunday but not under OT law doesn't mean rob the bank don't need repent. Yes Jesus die to forgive our sin but it require follow Him, follow His teaching if we fall in dinner we need ask forgiveness confess and regret or repent ask His strength not to do it again

Jackson123 · Aug 25, 2021

Under OT law love God mean follow His teaching mean animal sacrifice, circumcision, sabbath law etc

Under NT law love God mean follow God teaching too but now we don't need doing animal sacrifice because Jesus sacrifice Himself, no need physical circumsision only spiritually, don't need sabbath law because we worship in Spirit and truth
But still need to love God and fellow man in NT way

Now love God mean Love His teaching to love others to feed the hungry to preach His gospel, sure it take a lot of work, but work is not the requirement of salvation, work is the fruits of salvation

Work as requirement is catholic doctrine
Bible doctrine > good work is not requirement but fruit

SophieT · Aug 25, 2021

Jackson123 said:

oh not this one again

this one got buried so long ago even the bones are no longer viable

put it to bed already. that lie has been covered since the age of dinosaurs

but no. you just have to swing a leg up over your old and tired hobby horse and limp out the gate again

to me, you just want to swing this thread in your favorite direction again, which is accusing people of saying things they never said and doing things they never do. ie: if we believe the Bible that we are saved by God's grace, then we think we can sin like a boat load of pagan sailors and still say 'howdy doo' at the pearly gates

grind up that ole organ cause the monkeys are gonna fly again

Kidron · Aug 25, 2021

Jackson123 said:

Jesus's eternal Sacrifice that God offers.

This. ... John 3:16,17

Kidron · Aug 25, 2021

SophieT said:

That place was a haven for heretics before i showed up there about 3 yrs ago.
I was able to get rid of 2 Mods and probably 20 heretics who used that site to try to ruin people's faith.
For the last year the place is "calm now that most of the heretics are kicked off", is what im told by one of the Mods there that updates me on occasion. (Debra).

Jackson123 · Aug 25, 2021

SophieT said:

oh not this one again

this one got buried so long ago even the bones are no longer viable

put it to bed already. that lie has been covered since the age of dinosaurs

but no. you just have to swing a leg up over your old and tired hobby horse and limp out the gate again

to me, you just want to swing this thread in your favorite direction again, which is accusing people of saying things they never said and doing things they never do. ie: if we believe the Bible that we are saved by God's grace, then we think we can sin like a boat load of pagan sailors and still say 'howdy doo' at the pearly gates

grind up that ole organ cause the monkeys are gonna fly again

I don’t understand what you believe do you believe after you accept Jesus than murder still go to heaven or not?

Jackson123 · Aug 25, 2021

Kidron said:

what do you mean by eternal sacrifice? Jesus only die once and rise not eternal die

Kidron · Aug 25, 2021

Jackson123 said:

Actually fruit is the result of the new birth.
The issue is, the Devil knows this, and he knows that "christians" try to evaluate other believers based on what they do, say, (fruit)
So, his people FAKE FRUIT, and you have to realize this, and learn how to spot them.
This Thread is written to reveal them.
Ive written others but one of the Mods here, wont let you see it.

Kidron · Aug 25, 2021

SophieT said:

I enjoyed what you wrote..
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One the heresies that gets played loud and proud by a few cults and their deceived is this one..

"All your sins are forgiven, till the day you are saved, but none of them are forgiven beyond that, so, you have to take care of them".

So, these deceived teach that the blood of Jesus stops being an eternal sacrifice, just as soon as you are born again.
So, according to them, you are hell bound, then you get saved, and from that second, all of your sin is right back on you just as it was before you were saved.
That's a Trophy Heresy. Its a work of Satanic Art.
So, you are left as........Your salvation is only as good as you are, which of course is the Gospel of WORKS, which is the Devil's Gospel.

And of course that is a DENIAL of the Cross, and what was accomplished there, but, its a clever one, and many are trapped in this deceit and preach it on forums and from pulpits.

Heresy, in general, is always some form of denial regarding what Jesus has accomplished on the Cross, by the insertion of "you do it, instead".

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