Saved by Water

It's not similar enough, as you cannot save an unrepentant sinner by throwing some water on them. If that were true, we (those called by God) could simply baptize the whole world and all would be saved. We know that is absurd.

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“The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter. And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us, and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15:6-9‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/act.15.6-9.ESV

Read through this carefully, doesn’t it say that the Apostles, the elders present, and those of the house of Cornelius received the Holy Spirit in the same way. The Greek word no in “no distinction” is a compound word, not a simple no. It means not one. So he made not one distinction between us and them. If some had received the Holy Spirit before water baptism and some after wouldn’t that have been a distinction. Also, the word translated ”just as” indicates that the manner in which they received the Holy Spirit was the same. If you go back to Acts 10:47 and 11:15-18 and read through them carefully you will see that Peter said something similar of those who accompanied him to see Cornelius and also those of the house of the circumcision.

“Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:44-49‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/luk.24.47-49.ESV

The passage here in Luke 24 is where Jesus opened the minds of the apostles to understand what was written in the Prophets and Psalms. Later Peter reflects back on this and says:

“To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.””
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/act.10.43.ESV

That is not the point

Did John Baptise or Did God?

Does any man have the power to baptise you into Christ? And if so. How does he do this?

Even more important is if baptism is completed by God himself. To try to replace that with the baptism completed by ma would be blasphemous.

Ok my take on water baptism.
Yes I have been baptized with water but the greater baptism by far was being baptized by the Holy Spirit as in the time of Acts.

I believe John did what God called him to do to bridge the gap of the old testament law with the new covenant that was to begin.
I also believe Jesus allowed John to baptize him for that same reason that it would be a completed circle. God even spoke and said this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased.

Jesus shed blood is the only THING that can cover a person's sins in his righteousness not water period!

Many times in his encounters with people Jesus said ' your sins are forgiven ...go and sin no more" was this not forgiveness of sin by the soon to be redeemer or was it just words?

That's your problem...seen often...you attack the messenger rather than respond to God's word.
Just do that and we can all learn.

we are talking about the water baptism. why some want to confound the principal element of a debate by adding another element is not readily understood.

You should re-visit the old covenant and new covenant transition.
The Bible says while baptism under the old covenant was for bodily cleansing purposes it was re-constituted under the new covenant as part of sin cleansing. That is not to suggest that Christ had sin to cleanse when He was baptiized....,He did not....because He never sinned while on this earth.

There was no sin baptism with water in Noah's time. He was under the old covenant...not the new covenant.

You are wrong.
Water saves us...read the clear language of the Bible on baptism.

That is just wrong.
The Bible requires baptism...it replaces nothing.

That's not true. This has been posted in this thread;......Baptism is Required...read it;


Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:


John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Roman 6;3.... Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Mark16;16.... He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.....


There is 100+ verses in the Bible regarding baptism. The new age religion teaching that baptism is not required is new...since the 1960's. Research has not found reference to that interpretation anywhere prior to the 1960's...why?

Either one accepts clear biblical language or write your own bible.....and tickle your years and tell yourself what you want to hear...as you wish.(A end time prophesy.)
God's word tells us we must be baptized to complete the sin cleansing process.

Maybe et likely I am on your ignore list too🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

That's kind of funny. They wouldn't answer Jesus either, when he asked "The baptism of John...was it from heaven, or of men". I knew you were acting like the religious leaders of that day, but I really didn't think you would likewise be incapable of answering! That's kind of AMAZING how accurate and how consistently true (throughout time) God's account is.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

I'll reply, but you will decide whether or not to be open to looking beyond what you already think is complete truth.


The Apostle Paul also said:
Don't forget this verse so quickly. Either Paul baptized with effect and because it was necessary, or else you're saying he performed those baptisms flippantly and against the commandment of God.

Whether you understand it or not, Both Jesus and John the Baptist knew how to do only the part God had established for them, individually, and knew that God would do the other piece through the other individual(s).

Jesus himself didn't baptize people in water but he truly made sure it was part of his ministry.

It doesn't matter how many others, prophets or priests didn't baptize. That has no impact on the necessity placed on those who ARE sent to water baptize, like John or Jesus' immediate disciples.
BTW, Jesus would NOT have implemented water baptism into his ministry if it was just an unnecessary ritual.

He also didn't believe the Gospel that includes that God raised Jesus from the dead (because that hadn't happened yet). And he also didn't receive the Holy Ghost (because it hadn't been poured out yet, because Jesus hadn't gone to the Father yet.) The Thief on the cross was still under the OLD covenant, not the new.

Gee, why didn't anyone just say "Believing can't save you unless believing died on the Cross shedding its blood and dying for your sin" ? <-- There's a failing in the very nature of your wording. You couldn't see it with "Water" but I'm guessing you can see it with "Believing".

I won't directly answer this one because it makes me chuckle when people use unnecessary inflammatory wording. Notice Jesus didn't do that. But if you want to see an impressive example of that type of wording, read Acts 24:2-8, especially verse 5. "Pestilent... mover of sedition... ringleader" LOL
This type of wording is geared toward provoking the flesh, not conveying truth. People do it because it can be persuasive to an audience of men, but I think you to be better than that.

I guess I don't understand what point you're trying to make with this last part.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

The baptism of the Holy Ghost accomplishes one thing. The baptism in water accomplishes a different thing. These things work together, not against each other, as it is written:


Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Should you be?

Ohhhhh, comparing yourself to Jesus, are you? AMAZING.

Of course water saves you. Let's dunk the whole world and we can save everyone!.. Whether they like it or not!