Have churches become too reliant on recovery programs and psychology/psychiatry?

May I ask what you mean? How could they have been more helpful?

I ask because this seems to be the crux of the matter. I experienced something similar when I was younger in the 80s. Pop psychology hadn't infiltrated the church to the extent it now has, but counselors and psychology were still the order of the day if someone had an "unusual" problem the church didn't know how to deal with, or didn't want to deal with.

It seems like what we have is a form of godliness that has denied its power.

Simply put, when we peel the Layers back from the Trapped Mind and find the originating Issue contact point, aren't we Ultimately discovering an Act against that stems from an unthinkable SIN? And that One Single Sin can lead to Multiple Layers of trying to cover it up keeping it away from your memory. and to Guide those Multiple Layers of reason/hate/denial/guilt/anger are forms of DEMONS that are Oppressing that One single Memory into becoming the Sole Key to why a person Stops being WHO they are supposed to be.

Demonic Oppression is Real!

Have you ever encountered an Intersex person? How did you treat them? We'd like to thin, that people are strictly male or female but that is not true.

Have you ever encountered an Intersex person? How did you treat them? We'd like to thin, that people are strictly male or female but that is not true.

It is far too late to ask such questions. Humanistic ideas and methods crept into the churches a long time ago. And they will continue to influence them.

Have you ever encountered an Intersex person? How did you treat them? We'd like to thin, that people are strictly male or female but that is not true.

What do you mean "It's far too late?" Should we just throw up our hands and say, oh well? What if Martin Luther King had said, "It's too late. Racism is too prevalent. Might as well accept it." Is that what you mean by it's too late?

I firmly believe, due to a WORLD where it is Polluted and has been infecting Humanity since becoming Environmentally unsafe, that abnormalities have crept into many of the fetus developing factors. I also believe should a child be born with both sexual parts female/male, the Doctor should not play God and choose if that infant is a Male or Female. They should let that child grow to be about 4 or 5 and can tell naturally then and surgically repair and be like it never happened.

Since Faith happens in the Mind, have any of those labelled as being psychological disordered in your experience, actually were Demonically Oppressed?

When we think of Multiple Personality Disorder, when someone can flip on the switch to a new identity been actually Demonically Oppressed/Possessed?

If Medications [Never] fix those suffering, or if Therapists [Never] lead anyone to 100% full recovery, but we know God CAN Heal them, aren't many of them actually suffering from Demonic Oppression?

I am not discussing Environmental Issues that can be harmful to a developing fetus either...

their unisex demons. Its demon rationalization nobody wants 2 be condemned

Yes, in a perfect world that can happen. Sometimes these folk are left sterile and sexless. And, at times the brain is so confused about identity. I've seen this and it is painful and sad.

Educate yourself for goodness sake!

Agreed!
A Doctors ego can be to a beginning human life worst obstacle it ever faces.

I worked in non-Christian settings but I was always aware of the reality of spiritual influence. Medication, given correctly and with God retained in one's knowledge, can actually be helpful to give the mind a rest from stress. Stress often manifests as depression or anxiety. It is also important to ensure the believing patient understands they are not "a problem" in and of themselves.

I have dealt with the demonic directly in sessions, however. Psychology/Psychiatry has nothing to offer for that work.

In the Christian News forum there's a recent thread about the wife of a pastor of a California megachurch who committed suicide. A link in the thread leads to an article which states: "Hilken had taken her life after suffering from mental health troubles."

I don't want to make light of the tragedy of this situation or the pain it has caused all those involved; however, it does make me think about how reliant the church has become on mental health professionals and recovery programs. I realize there may be situations where a person needs professional help, but is depression one of them? It seems to me, depression is an problem that the love of Christ was tailor-made for.

If Jesus came that we might have life, and that more abundantly, why the need for all kinds of human programs when we already have "the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes"? (Romans 1:16)

Should churches continue to be reliant on these humanistic methods or should it start to detach?

Certain organizations are quite medication oriented to the point that I think it becomes destructive. Some combinations of drugs can exacerbate Depression, and Gender issues. Drugs are often not the best remedy. Sometimes reaching into our past and following the words of Jesus the Christ in giving forgiveness is better.

I dont know if THAT particular church has this problem...

but if it does, then they really need to rethink how they approach mental health...because deliverance is something Jesus offers every believer.

Many churces shy away from deliverance because they dont know how to administer it. They put in the 'too hard basket' and fail at casting out demons.

People also dont realise sometimes depression can have a cause thats totally physical...eg if you had dentistry and theres mercury and amalagam in your teeth...that is going to affect your mood. You must have it removed. i.e cast it out.