One Eternal God in Three Persons- Look and SEE

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that is the answer to:
"What I have always struggled with, was the idea behind, the Apostles not Baptizing in the Trinity Themselves!"


So, the Holy Spirit told the Apostles, after they were [[Filled in the Upper Room]], to Baptize now in Yeshua's Name?

Let me say a few things on this subject with you.

First, it is important to know whom God is, otherwise, how would you know what or whom you are believing in or on? If you just believe in a god - then how is this different from the Buddhist or say the Hindus. It is important that one has the right view of whom God is. Just as it is important to know whom Christ is.

Mat 16:13-17 Now when Jesus came into the parts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Who do men say that the Son of man is? And they said, Some say John the Baptist; some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. He says unto them, But who say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jonah: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father who is in heaven.

What the natural man had to say about Christ was not wrong - Jesus was a teacher and a prophet but it did not go far enough. Just as many today know Christ historically but do not know Him experientially. The true believer knew that Jesus was the Christ, (The anointed one), the Son of the living God. So if He was the Son, then there had to be a Father and Jesus confirmed this by saying in verse 17: ".. my Father who is in heaven."

The Trinitarian view of God, is not that God is three gods but that God is three distinct persons in one essence. God is one god because He is one in His intrinsic nature. It is this nature or makeup that makes Him God. The three distinct persons, makeup the one Godhead. In Genesis 1:26, the writer is letting us see the conversation within the Godhead. Long before God created, there was an established order in the Godhead. Scripture reveals that in God's Creative and Redemptive plan, the following: 1) It is the Father's Plan and Purpose. 2) The Son is the Executor of His Father's Plan and Purpose. 3) The Holy Spirit is the Agent by which the Plan and Purpose is carried out.

From a mathematical point of view, a fun understanding can be raised. If God is three distinct gods and share not their essence - then it would be expressed as: 1+1+1=3. However, if God is three distinct persons and in one essence, it would be expressed as: 1x1x1=1.

Concerning Gen 1:1
Your missing et and v-et. AZ = perfected or as said in Greek buy Jesus i am the Alph omega...Note: it's more then a direct object pointer,,,,,In this case it's The gods perfected the heavens and perfected the earth..Also note: It's the yold Mem suffix that make Elohim plural.Those letters can be found in Psalm 119:73 and 97 most of the time et is not translated.

I stand corrected. Three then not one. They all agree with one another, making the argument for one. The discussion around that issue gets devisee and hurtful and for me not worth it.

You two are getting into some very strange ideas.

What makes you think the Apostles did not baptize in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit? Where do you get this bizarre idea? Or do you think the disciples, who became the Apostles, disobeyed the Lord their God. This was a command given to them:

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:
Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.

What you are suggesting by your public questions is rank Heresy. These questions stated as possible thinking on the part of the Apostles is Satanic. If the Apostles, of all people, did not carry out Jesus Christ's commandment, then the Gospel message was destroyed by the ones appointed to protect it and teach it.

John 3:16

16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

i was away, sorry for the delay

The Apostles accepted the GIFT as the Spirit of God - This is clearly seen in Acts 4:8-12 and Acts 5:1-3
Once again, we see the Father, Son and Holy Spririt are One Eternal God in these Scriptures.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

Good, Bad, or Baloney - What do you think?

Maybe this has insight for us:
When all the people were baptized, it came to pass that Jesus also was baptized; and while He prayed, the heaven was opened.
And the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from heaven which said, “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.” Luke 3: 21-22

Who in Heaven, that you know, forever makes intercession on our behalf?

I am only trying to ask questions that help confirm or help in the area's of the what if. Sometimes, traditions get blurred over time.

Ah, so taking actual Scripture and breaking it down into the setting, the scene where this Verse takes place, in relationship to the timing of Christ, and thinking the Disciples were human beings like we are, and wondering did they know what Christ meant in full/complete understanding or were they Students still having to apply it on their own Walk and question to the meaning of everything Said...is Heresy?


None of us believe the Disciples disobeyed Christ!
None of us knows if the Apostles Baptized Matthew 28:19 because [THERE ARE NO WRITTEN EXAMPLES LIKE THE (4) BAPTIZED THE OTHER WAY]!

When I read someone's answers, I wonder, are they thinking this?

So, I ask if they were?

I don't see the Problem!

Yes I am aware of John 3:16, however, it does not alter the facts of what I posted.

Additionally, John 3:16 says God so loved the world. How do you define "world" in this text? The word "loved" in this text is an Aorist tense verb in the Greek. The Aorist is past action without any guarantee of continued results. So then, this verse is saying that at sometime in the past God loved the world and gave (past tense) His only begotten Son. When was this love then? Eternity past, when the Father planned Creation and Redemption or Just before Christ's arrival?

How one answers this is vitally important. Scripture teaches that God did not love the world of Christ's day.

Mar 4:19 and the cares of the world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
John_1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, and the world knew him not.
John 7:7 The world cannot hate you; but me it is hating, because I testify of it, that its works are evil.
John 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love its own: but because ye are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world is hating you.
John_17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for those whom thou hast given me; for they are thine:

So how do you explain the obvious disdain showed by our Lord for the world? One must conclude God loved the world that He originally Created - upright and pronounced "Good". He does not love the fallen state of the world which is in darkness.

I totally have been seeing what you're Aiming for Others to get!

What is cool, when we think about Christ being the WORD, Yahweh, Elohim, Lord, I AM, YHWH and then add being the complete Godhead with the Father and being full of the Holy Spirit, we [SEE] Christ in every Representation of God in Body, Spirit, and in NAME from Genesis to Revelation!

This really does not follow my argument. So I will post to you the same thing I previously posted about John 3:16.

Yes I am aware of John 3:16, however, it does not alter the facts of what I posted.

Additionally, John 3:16 says God so loved the world. How do you define "world" in this text? The word "loved" in this text is an Aorist tense verb in the Greek. The Aorist is past action without any guarantee of continued results. So then, this verse is saying that at sometime in the past God loved the world and gave (past tense) His only begotten Son. When was this love then? Eternity past, when the Father planned Creation and Redemption or Just before Christ's arrival?

How one answers this is vitally important. Scripture teaches that God did not love the world of Christ's day.

Mar 4:19 and the cares of the world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
John_1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, and the world knew him not.
John 7:7 The world cannot hate you; but me it is hating, because I testify of it, that its works are evil.
John 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love its own: but because ye are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world is hating you.
John_17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for those whom thou hast given me; for they are thine:

So how do you explain the obvious disdain showed by our Lord for the world? One must conclude God loved the world that He originally Created - upright and pronounced "Good". He does not love the fallen state of the world which is in darkness.

I've been told that i am blind concerning this Eternal Truth - i get a good laugh out of it - i like laughter in God.

A Song of Ascents. When the LORD brought back the captivity of Zion, We were like those who dream.
Then our mouth was filled with laughter, And our tongue with singing.
Then they said among the nations, “The LORD has done great things for them.” Psalm 126:2

Thank you. I'm trying hard to follow Jesus the Christ in dealing with Denominational Christianity. I believe I've shared sufficiently how shabbily my denomination treated me, I need to forgive yet at times the wounding flares up and I don't act like I should. God forgive me.

I think it's a less controversial approach!
And if causes some to rethink, that is the underlining goal to begin with!

It's tough when a person can present an untruth and be persuasive enough for hundreds and thousands to follow, all while you can see it for what it really is. That automatically puts you against their false teachings.

Brother, Please help me out here - i apologize - i am confused .
Can you let me know on the list below, which individuals our Lord Jesus Christ had disdain for when He walked this earth.

Roman Soldiers
the Poor
the Blind
the crippled
the diseased
Harlots
Tax Collectors
Stinking dirty smelly fishermen
Adulterers, caught in the very act.
Violent demon possessed individuals living in graveyards amongst the dead
Scribes
Pharissees
Saducees

The problem is pure supposition without facts. Why should the act of water baptism have to be mentioned in Acts with the words Father, Son and Holy Spirit? This is already previously understood.

We know the Apostles letters were inspired by the Holy Spirit. This inspiration prevents error.

2Ti 3:16 Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness: (ASV)
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (KJV)

Therefore, if the writer - Mathew - wrote to be Baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, was a direct quote from Jesus Christ, then it is without error, given under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. To question this, is to place the Whole Word of God into doubt. Therefore, rank Heresy.

Additionally, the Apostle Paul defended his office and accuracy the Scripture:

Rom_2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Php 3:17 Brethren, be ye imitators together of me, and mark them that so walk even as ye have us for an ensample.
1Th 1:6 And ye became imitators of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Spirit;

Therefore, if there was error with the Apostles the error would have spread throughout the early churches and believers.