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If a Christian gets vaccinated for the covid Is this a lack of faith?

  • Getting the vaccination means the Christian lacks faith.

  • Getting the vaccination demonstrates love thy neighbor.

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eternally-gratefull

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no I don't need yearly vaccines

would you take it if you broke out in hives that lasted over 2 years?

you make everything personal and that is why you just cannot let it go

if you can post your opinions, you cannot tell others what they post is nonsense

the vaccine for covid is NOT currently approved by the FDA here so why would anyone take it? it is approved for emergency only

the one that is approved, is not currently available, but is supposed to be the same. so why, a person might ask, is that so? the current vaccine is again, approved for emergency only so no one can sue Pfizer or any other company that has a vaccine in use

that speaks volumes. every one of these companies have been sued multiple times, but now they have carte blanche until the other vaccine kicks in
sister I love ya but you have a serious reading comprehension problem.

He never said YOU PERSONALLY needed to take an annual vaccine. You see only what you want to see.

The one making it personal here is you.
 
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It's really about discernment, or more accurately, the lack thereof. I think many of the vaxxed, if truth be told, KNOW that there is something terribly, even fatally wrong with the gene therapy.

But they have taken it.
I believe this also and have said so.

the denial of people saying they don't attack or don't think everyone should get the vaxx (for those that say this cause not everyone does) is obnoxious at this point....then we get told we are attacking or we get called liar even if we apologize
 
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sister I love ya but you have a serious reading comprehension problem.

He never said YOU PERSONALLY needed to take an annual vaccine. You see only what you want to see.

The one making it personal here is you.
@JohnDB since you red x'ed me, can you show me where in the post sophie responded to Aiden told her to get vaxxed once a year?
 
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I wonder if people will jump on me and attack me, like they did with Aiden & EG? There is a reason I don't come here much anymore. It's because there is so little Christianity found in the words of people. I can praise God for how he has helped me during this pandemic. But the constant anger, pettiness, cruelty and unChristlike behaviour of some people, means this forum is no longer a good place to learn and grow. Now you know!
no responsibility for anything and I am perfect

is what I hear you say

manipulation so that others will hold you in esteem...which you seem to crave

nope. not having it anymore

have a great rest of the day
 

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report form CDC
Systemic reactions in persons aged >55 years, Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine and placebo




New or worsening muscle paina, n (%) Any251 (13.9)149 (8.3)477 (28.7)87 (5.3)Mild168 (9.3)100 (5.6)202 (12.2)57 (3.5)Moderate82 (4.6)46 (2.6)259 (15.6)29 (1.8)Severe1 (0.1)3 (0.2)16 (1.0)1 (0.1)Grade 40 (0)0 (0)0 (0)0 (0)
New or worsening joint paina, n (%) Any155 (8.6)109 (6.1)313 (18.9)61 (3.7)Mild101 (5.6)68 (3.8)161 (9.7)35 (2.1)Moderate52 (2.9)40 (2.2)145 (8.7)25 (1.5)Severe2 (0.1)1 (0.1)7 (0.4)1 (0.1)Grade 40 (0)0 (0)0 (0)0 (0)
Use of antipyretic or pain medication 358 (19.9)213 (11.9)625 (37.7)161 (9.8)


I have increased joint pain to such an increase my VA has now up my Disability %

knee's, shoulders, hands are locking up not just one finger all of them. My right Elbow, and feet. Lower back.

Can no longer sleep through the night must get up and sit on the couch. None of this was prior to being vaccinated and Nor did I experience any of this when I had COVID-19 back in Nov of last year.

I received my first vaccine of two in January the second in Mach of 2021. The joint pain has started just in July and increased over August and September. I constantly smell what seems to be the smell of fuel burning and most fruits and vegetables have a rancid taste of metal, and cannot eat cilantro anymore.
 
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report form CDC
Systemic reactions in persons aged >55 years, Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine and placebo




New or worsening muscle paina, n (%) Any251 (13.9)149 (8.3)477 (28.7)87 (5.3)Mild168 (9.3)100 (5.6)202 (12.2)57 (3.5)Moderate82 (4.6)46 (2.6)259 (15.6)29 (1.8)Severe1 (0.1)3 (0.2)16 (1.0)1 (0.1)Grade 40 (0)0 (0)0 (0)0 (0)
New or worsening joint paina, n (%) Any155 (8.6)109 (6.1)313 (18.9)61 (3.7)Mild101 (5.6)68 (3.8)161 (9.7)35 (2.1)Moderate52 (2.9)40 (2.2)145 (8.7)25 (1.5)Severe2 (0.1)1 (0.1)7 (0.4)1 (0.1)Grade 40 (0)0 (0)0 (0)0 (0)
Use of antipyretic or pain medication 358 (19.9)213 (11.9)625 (37.7)161 (9.8)


I have increased joint pain to such an increase my VA has now up my Disability %

knee's, shoulders, hands are locking up not just one finger all of them. My right Elbow, and feet. Lower back.

Can no longer sleep through the night must get up and sit on the couch. None of this was prior to being vaccinated and Nor did I experience any of this when I had COVID-19 back in Nov of last year.

I received my first vaccine of two in January the second in Mach of 2021. The joint pain has started just in July and increased over August and September. I constantly smell what seems to be the smell of fuel burning and most fruits and vegetables have a rancid taste of metal, and cannot eat cilantro anymore.
very very sorry to read this

something has to give. this cannot go on and on with more and more mandates

I pray there will healing for you and that this does not continue
 
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Following is from Dr. Mercola and copied from an email. you can look him up online.


September 29, 2021, YouTube banned and deleted our channel, and the channels of several others, including Robert F. Kennedy Jr., for violating its community guidelines. This despite the fact that much of our content has been up for over a decade and never had any complaints from YouTube.

As you will see below, this is a blatant example of how government, technocratically-led nongovernmental organizations, social media platforms and media collude and coordinate attacks to censor people and organizations with whom they do not agree, or who pose a threat to their highly effective propaganda narrative.

YouTube’s New Policy
Earlier that day, September 29, YouTube updated its community guidelines with an expansion of its already existing policy on medical misinformation. Whereas before the policy had focused on alleged misinformation relating specifically to the COVID shots, the expanded policy now includes ALL vaccines.

In a nutshell, as of September 29, 2021, you cannot post any video discussing or stating that ANY vaccine is dangerous or ineffective. As stated in the updated policy:1

“We’ve steadily seen false claims about the coronavirus vaccines spill over into misinformation about vaccines in general, and we're now at a point where it's more important than ever to expand the work we started with COVID-19 to other vaccines.
Specifically, content that falsely alleges that approved vaccines are dangerous and cause chronic health effects, claims that vaccines do not reduce transmission or contraction of disease, or contains misinformation on the substances contained in vaccines will be removed.

This would include content that falsely says that approved vaccines cause autism, cancer or infertility, or that substances in vaccines can track those who receive them. Our policies not only cover specific routine immunizations like for measles or Hepatitis B, but also apply to general statements about vaccines.”
YouTube does grant some exceptions to its new censorship rules, which in now-classic Orwellian double-speak are granted in the spirit of keeping “public discussion and debate to the scientific process” alive.

Vaccine content that will remain allowable includes discussions about “vaccine policies, new vaccine trials, and historical vaccine successes or failures,” as well as personal testimonials relating to vaccines — as long as the channel “doesn't show a pattern of promoting vaccine hesitancy.”

YouTube Changes Policy and Immediately Deletes My Channel
While the update notice states it’ll take some time to fully ramp up enforcement of these new guidelines, YouTube clearly had their sights set on booting certain individuals right from the start. They viewed me as such a major threat that they had to create new rules to “legitimately” censor me because they could not do it with their existing rules, which I never violated.

That same day, within hours of announcing the new rules, YouTube banned our channel and deleted all our videos without warning.

It’s a devious move, really. Just change the rules to match the (previously compliant) content of the individuals you want to remove, and provide users no time to remain in compliance by removing content that might be in violation.

Going forward, being compliant is not enough — you must be predictively compliant and ensure your videos don’t violate some future policy that may be dreamt up in a moment without notice. What happened next clearly demonstrates coordinated collusion between a number of players.

For starters, YouTube admits the new policy was developed after consulting with local and international health organizations. That most likely includes the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the World Health Organization. I wouldn’t be surprised if one or more of Bill Gates’ vaccine-focused organizations, such as GAVI, were also consulted.

Several U.S. government officials have also gone on record singling me out as a leading threat to the COVID jab campaign, which is really just a front for a much larger and far more important agenda, namely the The Great Reset agenda. Make no mistake, this censorship is about money and geopolitical control, not public health.
 
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WaPo Journalist Had Foreknowledge of the Ban
Just after 9 a.m. September 29, 2021, a journalist with the Washington Post contacted my media department, asking for a comment on YouTube’s takedown of my channel.

The article was embargoed, which means the journalist had already been told my channel was being removed due to the new rules, and the article was probably already written by the time they contacted me. WaPo broke the story at 9:35 a.m., stating in part:2

“In an email, Mercola said he was being censored and said, without presenting evidence, that vaccines had killed many people ... More than a third of the world’s population has been vaccinated and the vaccines have been proven to be overwhelmingly safe.”
Of course, WaPo didn’t present any evidence that the COVID shots are “overwhelmingly safe” either. In fact, the hyperlink goes to the CDC’s COVID-19 Reported Adverse Events page,3 which lists warnings for anaphylaxis, thrombosis with thrombocytopenia and Guillain-Barre syndrome after the Janssen shot, myocarditis and pericarditis after the Pfizer and Moderna shots, and death following all three.

Once WaPo published its article, others followed. Reuters at least included an entire sentence of the statement we sent in response to media inquiries:4

“A press email for Mercola's website said … ‘We are united across the world, we will not live in fear, we will stand together and restore our freedoms.’ Kennedy said in a statement: ‘There is no instance in history when censorship and secrecy has advanced either democracy or public health.’”
A Coordinated Attack on Freedom of Speech
The collective actions of government, Big Tech and media clearly show this was a coordinated attack on the freedom of speech of ordinary Americans. Government officials have publicly admitted they are coordinating censorship with Big Tech platforms, which, by the way, is illegal.

YouTube, which is owned by Google’s parent company Alphabet, now suddenly changes its medical misinformation rules after consulting with local and international “health authorities,” and immediately takes down the channels of the very people identified by those same government officials as the prime targets for censorship.

Media — at least one of which had foreknowledge of YouTube’s policy change and the imminent removal of our channel — then contacts us for comment, leaving virtually no time for response.

This, by the way, is a classic media tactic used in hit pieces. By not leaving time for a response, they can make you look guilty of just about anything. To many, refusing to respond comes across as not having a good defense or explanation.

We are united across the world, we will not live in fear, we will stand together and restore our freedoms.

Still, despite issuing a comprehensive response, the media didn’t include it. WaPo went so far as to misrepresent what little of my response they did include, as I specifically cited Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) data, which is indeed evidence that these shots are killing “many” people.

I don’t know about you, but to me, 15,386 reported deaths following COVID “vaccination” (as of September 17, 20215) cannot be shrugged off as insignificant

Dark Money Front Group Takes Credit for Ban
The Washington Post article cites the now-infamous “Disinformation Dozen”6 report conjured up by the Centre for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH) and AntiVaxWatch.org. — the same report that has been debunked and refuted by Facebook itself.7

One really wonders how the media manages to avoid the question regarding the lack of transparency of these groups, especially the completely anonymous AntiVaxWatch.org. The CCDH is no better, however. Not only is it run by an unregistered foreign agent, Imran Ahmed, it also appears to be funded by “dark money,” meaning by people and organizations whose identities are shielded or not released.

“Who is funding this overseas dark money group — Big Tech? Billionaire activists? Foreign governments? We have no idea,” Missouri Sen. Josh Hawley said in a July 20, 2021, tweet,8 adding “Americans deserve to know what foreign interests are attempting to influence American democracy.”

Indeed, the CCDH appears to have been created for the purpose of political hit jobs. Its chairman, Simon Clark, is a senior fellow with the Center for American Progress,9 which is funded by dark money from a liberal Swiss billionaire named Hansjörg Wyss.10,11 Wyss is also a board member of the Center for American Progress.

According to Capital Research, through his funding of a Washington, D.C., consultant firm called Arabella Advisors, which allows his identity to be obscured, Wyss has been secretly influencing American policy.12,13 Reporter Hayden Lidwig has also described the inner workings of Arabella Advisors and the influence of the “dark money” flowing through it, noting that Arabella runs a:14

“… vast array of ‘pop-up groups’ … called so because they consist almost solely of slick websites that may pop into existence one day and pop out the next, usually once the campaign is through.”
It’s no surprise then that the CCDH, AntiVaxWatch and Arabella founder Eric Kessler are all applauding and/or taking credit for their role in YouTube’s takedown of the channels identified in the “Disinformation Dozen” report.
 

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very very sorry to read this

something has to give. this cannot go on and on with more and more mandates

I pray there will healing for you and that this does not continue
IF I knew more about Natual immunity I tell you the truth I would have not received one vaccine and IF I was not looking to see my Granddaughter in New York in April of this year I would have not received the vaccine. To travel was the only reason because New York was just coming out of the very restrictive mandates of that State. I had COVID-19 before being vaccinated and no one said anything about Natural immunity. The evil of this is, politics have been played and people have died only because of that. The numbers in the United States who have died from CIVD-19 are false. They include those who have died in car accidents and other deaths that were not COVID-19 related.
 

CS1

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Following is from Dr. Mercola and copied from an email. you can look him up online.


September 29, 2021, YouTube banned and deleted our channel, and the channels of several others, including Robert F. Kennedy Jr., for violating its community guidelines. This despite the fact that much of our content has been up for over a decade and never had any complaints from YouTube.

As you will see below, this is a blatant example of how government, technocratically-led nongovernmental organizations, social media platforms and media collude and coordinate attacks to censor people and organizations with whom they do not agree, or who pose a threat to their highly effective propaganda narrative.

YouTube’s New Policy
Earlier that day, September 29, YouTube updated its community guidelines with an expansion of its already existing policy on medical misinformation. Whereas before the policy had focused on alleged misinformation relating specifically to the COVID shots, the expanded policy now includes ALL vaccines.

In a nutshell, as of September 29, 2021, you cannot post any video discussing or stating that ANY vaccine is dangerous or ineffective. As stated in the updated policy:1

“We’ve steadily seen false claims about the coronavirus vaccines spill over into misinformation about vaccines in general, and we're now at a point where it's more important than ever to expand the work we started with COVID-19 to other vaccines.
Specifically, content that falsely alleges that approved vaccines are dangerous and cause chronic health effects, claims that vaccines do not reduce transmission or contraction of disease, or contains misinformation on the substances contained in vaccines will be removed.
This would include content that falsely says that approved vaccines cause autism, cancer or infertility, or that substances in vaccines can track those who receive them. Our policies not only cover specific routine immunizations like for measles or Hepatitis B, but also apply to general statements about vaccines.”
YouTube does grant some exceptions to its new censorship rules, which in now-classic Orwellian double-speak are granted in the spirit of keeping “public discussion and debate to the scientific process” alive.

Vaccine content that will remain allowable includes discussions about “vaccine policies, new vaccine trials, and historical vaccine successes or failures,” as well as personal testimonials relating to vaccines — as long as the channel “doesn't show a pattern of promoting vaccine hesitancy.”

YouTube Changes Policy and Immediately Deletes My Channel
While the update notice states it’ll take some time to fully ramp up enforcement of these new guidelines, YouTube clearly had their sights set on booting certain individuals right from the start. They viewed me as such a major threat that they had to create new rules to “legitimately” censor me because they could not do it with their existing rules, which I never violated.

That same day, within hours of announcing the new rules, YouTube banned our channel and deleted all our videos without warning.

It’s a devious move, really. Just change the rules to match the (previously compliant) content of the individuals you want to remove, and provide users no time to remain in compliance by removing content that might be in violation.

Going forward, being compliant is not enough — you must be predictively compliant and ensure your videos don’t violate some future policy that may be dreamt up in a moment without notice. What happened next clearly demonstrates coordinated collusion between a number of players.

For starters, YouTube admits the new policy was developed after consulting with local and international health organizations. That most likely includes the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the World Health Organization. I wouldn’t be surprised if one or more of Bill Gates’ vaccine-focused organizations, such as GAVI, were also consulted.

Several U.S. government officials have also gone on record singling me out as a leading threat to the COVID jab campaign, which is really just a front for a much larger and far more important agenda, namely the The Great Reset agenda. Make no mistake, this censorship is about money and geopolitical control, not public health.
666= do what we say or be punished
 

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no I don't need yearly vaccines

would you take it if you broke out in hives that lasted over 2 years?

you make everything personal and that is why you just cannot let it go

if you can post your opinions, you cannot tell others what they post is nonsense

the vaccine for covid is NOT currently approved by the FDA here so why would anyone take it? it is approved for emergency only

the one that is approved, is not currently available, but is supposed to be the same. so why, a person might ask, is that so? the current vaccine is again, approved for emergency only so no one can sue Pfizer or any other company that has a vaccine in use

that speaks volumes. every one of these companies have been sued multiple times, but now they have carte blanche until the other vaccine kicks in
I dont like any Kind of vaccine. And I am not begging for. If I can avoid a vaccine I will do.
But sometimes not everything what we want or not want is good for us.
Solange there is no alternative the vaccine is out of shot down, the best against Covid.
Yes, as everything it has his price.
That it is difficult for some kind of people is not to deny.
What is in your eyes emergine? I can renember the reports about New York and north Italy. Patients from italy, france and belgium where brought in german hospitals because they had not enough resourcescin their own country. Fake? Emergen?
This virus spread fast and mutate very fast. Time to wait 5-10 years to test?
Be serious. Who will take this responibility on their shoulders to do nothing against the Virus?
 
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In my opinion Red x Is just a sarcastic way of showing disagreement with your stance without sincerely addressing your post.
that number is god passing judgement on the fallen.Not just John 6:66 Ps 66:6 with the flood he killed the gentiles.and one 3rd fell leaving 66.6 percent in heaven
 
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IF I knew more about Natual immunity I tell you the truth I would have not received one vaccine and IF I was not looking to see my Granddaughter in New York in April of this year I would have not received the vaccine. To travel was the only reason because New York was just coming out of the very restrictive mandates of that State. I had COVID-19 before being vaccinated and no one said anything about Natural immunity. The evil of this is, politics have been played and people have died only because of that. The numbers in the United States who have died from CIVD-19 are false. They include those who have died in car accidents and other deaths that were not COVID-19 related.
right. natural immunity is the key and many times better. in fact, getting the vaccine if you have had covid, is risky as you have now sadly found out. what they are doing and hiding the facts, is criminal

I understand about travel and the reasons why you got the vaccine. the left is making it harder and harder to avoid taking the vaccine and that is their aim of course but it can't go on IMO.

666= do what we say or be punished
yeah we know who the real boss of this mess is.
 

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The vaccine question is now moot...

There's an effective antiviral that has been developed by Merk...it's a polymerase inhibitor (like remsedivir) and it's a terror on those pregnant or wanting to get pregnant. It also is mutagenic... meaning you can only take it for a limited time before it will kill you with cancer. But it is highly effective at stopping coronavirus in its tracks with several of the patients infected with a variety of variants.

Late stage of course wasn't tried as the damage was already done by that point from the infection...it couldn't help by that point. But just like Tamiflu does for influenza this will work for coronavirus... except for all the side effects it's relatively safe.
 
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I dont like any Kind of vaccine. And I am not begging for. If I can avoid a vaccine I will do.
But sometimes not everything what we want or not want is good for us.
Solange there is no alternative the vaccine is out of shot down, the best against Covid.
Yes, as everything it has his price.
That it is difficult for some kind of people is not to deny.
What is in your eyes emergine? I can renember the reports about New York and north Italy. Patients from italy, france and belgium where brought in german hospitals because they had not enough resourcescin their own country. Fake? Emergen?
This virus spread fast and mutate very fast. Time to wait 5-10 years to test?
Be serious. Who will take this responibility on their shoulders to do nothing against the Virus?
you just denied and flew past my two posts about what youtube has done

you also flew past CS 1's post

don't talk to me about denial
 

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right. natural immunity is the key and many times better. in fact, getting the vaccine if you have had covid, is risky as you have now sadly found out. what they are doing and hiding the facts, is criminal

I understand about travel and the reasons why you got the vaccine. the left is making it harder and harder to avoid taking the vaccine and that is their aim of course but it can't go on IMO.



yeah we know who the real boss of this mess is.
I can ensure you there will be no Booster for me. I was ready to be fired, go to jail, and be fined. I will not comply nor will I play the game anymore. They are killing people. The number of suicides of youth, addictions, family abuse that is unchecked children abuse violence and hatred. Far evil than a Pandemic. The cure is worst than the virus.
 
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I dont like any Kind of vaccine. And I am not begging for. If I can avoid a vaccine I will do.
But sometimes not everything what we want or not want is good for us.
Solange there is no alternative the vaccine is out of shot down, the best against Covid.
Yes, as everything it has his price.
That it is difficult for some kind of people is not to deny.
What is in your eyes emergine? I can renember the reports about New York and north Italy. Patients from italy, france and belgium where brought in german hospitals because they had not enough resourcescin their own country. Fake? Emergen?
This virus spread fast and mutate very fast. Time to wait 5-10 years to test?
Be serious. Who will take this responibility on their shoulders to do nothing against the Virus?
It's a lie virus exist because god tells the angels to make people sick.The answer is always god in the superlative sense.for even if we are healed what about our souls?
 
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right. natural immunity is the key and many times better. in fact, getting the vaccine if you have had covid, is risky as you have now sadly found out. what they are doing and hiding the facts, is criminal

I understand about travel and the reasons why you got the vaccine. the left is making it harder and harder to avoid taking the vaccine and that is their aim of course but it can't go on IMO.



yeah we know who the real boss of this mess is.
Again i say read John 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him
 
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