Daniel 9:26-27, 70 Weeks

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GaryA

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So, you are expecting GOD'S Wrath next, instead of an offer for some type of mark of the beast? How do you know that last week wasn't paused for Gentiles? Some Prophecies play out twice.
Week 70 ended in 34 A.D. - 490 years after the decree went forth to rebuild Jerusalem.
 

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Maybe there is some type of middle ground here? We don't need the physical Temple to be a thing in the last days for the antichrist to offer a mark.

Are we on the final day of the 70 weeks? The Day of The LORD? An age of Judgment? JESUS is Standing in for our Judgment right now on this Day. The Reborn/Faithful (Body of CHRIST) are all connected to 2000 years ago.

i wonder if sda was onto something when they say the pope is the antichrist and the usa is the false prophet. prosperity sermons are false prophecy ...and the usa has plenty of those. maybe they start praising the pope to worship the image of the beast. i think the pope is starting some type of umbrella religion where any man made religion can join it.

this is all just guesses, so if we do see a Temple being made ...run from it. But also, if you are lukewarm waiting for a Temple to built to get Right with GOD ....consider there might not ever be one.
I think you may be going about this somewhat "backwards"...

Study those last four verses in the context of the whole chapter. When you achieve a proper understanding, a-whole-lotta-things just clear up instantly.
 
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So the two witnesses are given "days" instead of "months" like the antichrist ...that's weird. hmmm

Revelation 11:3-4
And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
 
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Five times the bible set the time of the great tribulation at 3 1/2 years which also is the time of the reign of the beast and the false prophet:1 in Daniel 7:25;...time and times and the dividing of time. 2 Daniel 12:7 "times, times, and an half." 3 Revelation 11:2...and the holy city shall they tread under foot for forty and two months. 4 Revelation 11:3...and they (two witnesses), shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and three score days (1260 days), and 5 Revelation 13:5 "power was given unto him to continue forty and two month (3 1/2 years)."

How long is 42 months?
Sorry, i saw this after i posted again about the same topic ...so yeah that 42 months is around the same amount as The Two Witnesses. i feel like the different way to describe the same amount of time is telling us something.
 
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If the Two Witnesses are the Two Candlesticks (Churches) ...then maybe it isn't two guys ...but everyone that is a Witness. Reborn Jews and Gentiles that are Grafted into the Olive Trees.

The scripture says the whole world cheered at their death ...that would mean all witnesses were killed ...or there was a weird Rapture event.

Revelation 11:10
And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.​
So, wait, is the following talking about Rapture?

Revelation 11:11-12
And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.​
 
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Sorry, i saw this after i posted again about the same topic ...so yeah that 42 months is around the same amount as The Two Witnesses. i feel like the different way to describe the same amount of time is telling us something.
Yes, it is telling us something. You’ll notice that whenever Satan’s time is mentioned, it will be in months (moons/lunar/of the night/darknes). In contrast, God’s time for His children is always mentioned in days. For example, the two witnesses’ time is 1260 DAYS while Satan (the Antichrist) has 42 MONTHS.

1 Thessalonians 5:5

5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.
 

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In verse 26, we see that Jesus was rejected and crucified.

”and the people of the prince” (note the lowercase p = the Antichrist who will cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease because people will be deceived and will worship him (Antichrist).

Verse 27 is the 70th week (the hour of temptation) “and he“ (again lowercase = the antichrist/Satan)

Daniel 9:24-27.(Verse 24) "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon the holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."
(Verse 25) "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times:
(Verse 26). "And after threescore and two weeks shall the Messiah be cut off, but for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."
(Verse 27) "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."


Please answer these three questions: (1) At what point did these scriptures stop talking about the Jews, Jerusalem, and Jesus? (2) In what area or verse did the scriptures start talking about the beast, or the false prophet? (3) What did Jesus do when he was anointed? Did he die the very same day? NO, Jesus did not die the very same day. He had to teach for three and a half years and then be cut off (killed) so that this very prophecy would be fulfilled.
 
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Daniel 9:24-27.(Verse 24) "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon the holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."
(Verse 25) "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times:
(Verse 26). "And after threescore and two weeks shall the Messiah be cut off, but for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."
(Verse 27) "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."


Please answer these three questions: (1) At what point did these scriptures stop talking about the Jews, Jerusalem, and Jesus? (2) In what area or verse did the scriptures start talking about the beast, or the false prophet? (3) What did Jesus do when he was anointed? Did he die the very same day? NO, Jesus did not die the very same day. He had to teach for three and a half years and then be cut off (killed) so that this very prophecy would be fulfilled.

The book of Daniel is a prophetic one. The prophecy is actually given for the end-time generation—not Daniel’s time. The things written revolve around the time of the 6th trump—the great tribulation and the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world.

Daniel 12:8-9

8 Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, “My lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.



 

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The book of Daniel is a prophetic one. The prophecy is actually given for the end-time generation—not Daniel’s time. The things written revolve around the time of the 6th trump—the great tribulation and the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world.

Daniel 12:8-9

8 Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, “My lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Many of Daniels prophecies were not understood till the time of the end. But there is no reason to place the 70 weeks in our time. The 70 weeks are outlined by events like "to anoint the most Holy", the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem, and the wall, even in troublous times, in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, & unto the Messiah the Prince. This all makes sense and adds up perfectly if you look at the 70 weeks before Christ and after His death.
Not everything has to be future, and for us today.
 
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Many of Daniels prophecies were not understood till the time of the end. But there is no reason to place the 70 weeks in our time. The 70 weeks are outlined by events like "to anoint the most Holy", the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem, and the wall, even in troublous times, in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, & unto the Messiah the Prince. This all makes sense and adds up perfectly if you look at the 70 weeks before Christ and after His death.
Not everything has to be future, and for us today.
Ah well; I guess we’ll just agree to disagree on this one. :)
 
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Was the first 3.5 of the final week already Utilized with JESUS in the 70 Weeks? Does that mean Tribulation is only going to be 3.5 years? Do the Witnesses have power the same time the antichrist does? Is the "Rapture" of the Two Witnesses the same "Rapture" as the Seventh Trumpet?

The other option is that CHRIST Returns at 3.5 years to Finish the 70 weeks and then Wrath starts for 3.5 years with the antichrist trying to keep people from turning to GOD. ...or is that not possible?
 
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Yes, it is telling us something. You’ll notice that whenever Satan’s time is mentioned, it will be in months (moons/lunar/of the night/darknes). In contrast, God’s time for His children is always mentioned in days. For example, the two witnesses’ time is 1260 DAYS while Satan (the Antichrist) has 42 MONTHS.

1 Thessalonians 5:5

5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.
JESUS is going to finish the 70 Weeks with Light Days ...while the antichrist will have 42 months. So the question is, are the dark 42 months within the 70 Weeks?
 
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JESUS is going to finish the 70 Weeks with Light Days ...while the antichrist will have 42 months. So the question is, are the dark 42 months within the 70 Weeks?
Yes. (a solar day is a little bit longer than a lunar day)

Many people are afraid of the great tribulation, but look what it says in Rev. 9:4. God commands Satan and his fallen angels not to hurt those who have the seal of God in their foreheads (minds).

Revelation 9:2-4

2 And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit. 3 Then out of the smoke locusts (not the insect kind) came upon the earth. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 4 They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God in their foreheads.
 

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JESUS is going to finish the 70 Weeks with Light Days ...while the antichrist will have 42 months. So the question is, are the dark 42 months within the 70 Weeks?
Of course. The 42 months are the first half of the 70th week of Daniel. 69 weeks of years (483 years) were fulfilled at the crucifixion of Christ (when Messiah was cut off, but not for Himself). There remain 7 years to be fulfilled in the future, with 3 1/2 years assigned to the Antichrist, and 3 1/2 years assigned to the Great Tribulation (which will be shortened as stated by Christ). Following which there will be the Second Coming of Christ "with power and great glory".

What most people forget is the ultimate goal of Daniel's prophecy of 70 weeks. That is stated in Daniel 9:24:
Seventy weeks = 490 years
are determined upon thy people = the Jews (Israel)
and upon thy holy city = Jerusalem
to finish the transgression = to wipe out the Antichrist and his desecration of the temple
and to make an end of sins = to redeem Israel (see Romans 11)
and to make reconciliation for iniquity = to reconcile Israel to Christ (see Zechariah)
and to bring in everlasting righteousness = to establish eternal righteousness and peace on earth under the reign of Christ (see Isaiah)
and to seal up the vision and prophecy = to fulfil all prophecies and visions
and to anoint the most Holy = to set up God's perfect temple in Jerusalem (see Ezekiel)


All of this will only happen AFTER the Second Coming of Christ.
 
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Of course. The 42 months are the first half of the 70th week of Daniel. 69 weeks of years (483 years) were fulfilled at the crucifixion of Christ (when Messiah was cut off, but not for Himself). There remain 7 years to be fulfilled in the future, with 3 1/2 years assigned to the Antichrist, and 3 1/2 years assigned to the Great Tribulation (which will be shortened as stated by Christ). Following which there will be the Second Coming of Christ "with power and great glory".

What most people forget is the ultimate goal of Daniel's prophecy of 70 weeks. That is stated in Daniel 9:24:
Seventy weeks = 490 years
are determined upon thy people = the Jews (Israel)
and upon thy holy city = Jerusalem
to finish the transgression = to wipe out the Antichrist and his desecration of the temple
and to make an end of sins = to redeem Israel (see Romans 11)
and to make reconciliation for iniquity = to reconcile Israel to Christ (see Zechariah)
and to bring in everlasting righteousness = to establish eternal righteousness and peace on earth under the reign of Christ (see Isaiah)
and to seal up the vision and prophecy = to fulfil all prophecies and visions
and to anoint the most Holy = to set up God's perfect temple in Jerusalem (see Ezekiel)


All of this will only happen AFTER the Second Coming of Christ.
The problem is that JESUS Utilized half of the last Week already.
 
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Yes. (a solar day is a little bit longer than a lunar day)

Many people are afraid of the great tribulation, but look what it says in Rev. 9:4. God commands Satan and his fallen angels not to hurt those who have the seal of God in their foreheads (minds).

Revelation 9:2-4

2 And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit. 3 Then out of the smoke locusts (not the insect kind) came upon the earth. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 4 They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God in their foreheads.
Thank you, so maybe there is an overlap of 3.5 years of Tribulation, Righteous Light with corrupt dark.
 
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Look at verse 5. Thoughts?

Revelation 9:4-8

4 They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months.
 
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Look at verse 5. Thoughts?

Revelation 9:4-8

4 They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months.
Sounds like potential overlap to me!