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If a Christian gets vaccinated for the covid Is this a lack of faith?

  • Getting the vaccination means the Christian lacks faith.

  • Getting the vaccination demonstrates love thy neighbor.

  • Other,I will explain.


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Certainly a lot more than reading a filthy Leftist rag like the NYT.

Exodus 3
15 God said moreover to Moses, “You shall tell the children of Israel this, ‘Yahweh, the God of your fathers,
the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’
This is my name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations.
Elohim had something in Mind for HE kept Naming Himself, 1st by Abraham, 2nd by Isaac and 3rd by Jacob.

And even more incredible and HE said: "This is My Name Forever, My Memorial Name unto all generations."

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Vaccine Effectiveness Hits as Low as Minus-66% in the Over-40s, New PHE Data Shows

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The new Public Health England (PHE) Vaccine Surveillance report was released on Thursday, allowing us to update our estimates of unadjusted vaccine effectiveness from real-world data.
Oddly, the report appeared on a new webpage this week, but the old page didn’t include a note to let you know, so it took me a while to discover it had appeared and where it was.
Following last week’s ‘fact check‘ from Full Fatuous – ostensibly of my piece but with some words of admonition for PHE as well, particularly over the accuracy of the population data – a new note appeared in the report: “Interpretation of the case rates in vaccinated and unvaccinated population is particularly susceptible to changes in denominators and should be interpreted with extra caution.” So there you go. All estimates in this post are based on the data PHE uses and are valid insofar as that data is accurate.
As before, the data is just for a four-week period, which, given that the early part of the Delta surge was dominated by the unvaccinated and the latter part has seen infections rise in the vaccinated, seems to me a mistake. A fairer view would cover the whole Delta surge (as with the estimates I make from the data in the Technical Briefings), but in any case the report gives a snapshot of current relative infection rates.
As Full Fatuous pointed out, PHE don’t recommend using this data to estimate vaccine effectiveness, saying it’s “not the most appropriate method” because it’s unadjusted for risk factors (and, inevitably, they don’t provide the data you’d need to adjust it). However, even if not recommended by PHE, it is certainly a valid method of calculating vaccine effectiveness, which is just a figure which states the relative risk reduction in the vaccinated group, as long as you bear in mind its limitations. All vaccine effectiveness estimates have limitations, and while adjusting for confounding factors is in principle important, it is helpful only if done well, and manystudies do not do it well. Unadjusted estimates from raw data are a necessary starting point.

Perhaps the key confounder for the estimates of vaccine effectiveness against infection given here is whether people have been previously infected, with a common assumption being that a higher proportion of the unvaccinated will be previously infected, due to it being a potential factor in people’s decision not to be vaccinated. This may well artificially lower the vaccine effectiveness estimates, but since no one has yet produced data showing how antibodies-from-infection split between vaccinated and unvaccinated it is hard to know how far this is the case.
Unvaccinated here means actually unvaccinated, not partially vaccinated or post-jab. Hospitalisation means “cases presenting to emergency care (within 28 days of a positive specimen) resulting in an overnight inpatient admission”.

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As England’s drawn-out Delta outbreak drags on, the infection rates in the vaccinated continue to outpace those in the unvaccinated, reducing (unadjusted) vaccine effectiveness further. For the 60s age group, infection rates are 63% higher in the vaccinated than in the unvaccinated, up from 53% last week, giving an (unadjusted) vaccine effectiveness of minus-63%. But that has been topped this week by the 40s age group, the vaccinated among whom now have an infection rate no less than 66% higher than the unvaccinated, up from 46% in last week’s report and 27% in the report for the month ending September 5th. Vaccine effectiveness has been heading downward in the 30s age group as well, now just 8%, though interestingly it has actually been increasing in the under-18s. On this data, vaccine protection against serious illness and death appears to be holding up. I have included the two previous tables below for comparison.


With infection rates now, on this data, much higher in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated, what remaining justification can there be for vaccine passports, vaccine mandates, and any other policy based on the assumption that vaccines protect other people? When will the Government face up to the reality that vaccines provide poor protection against infection, poor protection against transmission, and thus poor protection of others, and so there is no justification for continuing to build up the infrastructure of a two-tier, discriminatory state
 
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Vaccine Effectiveness Hits as Low as Minus-66% in the Over-40s, New PHE Data Shows

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The new Public Health England (PHE) Vaccine Surveillance report was released on Thursday, allowing us to update our estimates of unadjusted vaccine effectiveness from real-world data.
Oddly, the report appeared on a new webpage this week, but the old page didn’t include a note to let you know, so it took me a while to discover it had appeared and where it was.
Following last week’s ‘fact check‘ from Full Fatuous – ostensibly of my piece but with some words of admonition for PHE as well, particularly over the accuracy of the population data – a new note appeared in the report: “Interpretation of the case rates in vaccinated and unvaccinated population is particularly susceptible to changes in denominators and should be interpreted with extra caution.” So there you go. All estimates in this post are based on the data PHE uses and are valid insofar as that data is accurate.
As before, the data is just for a four-week period, which, given that the early part of the Delta surge was dominated by the unvaccinated and the latter part has seen infections rise in the vaccinated, seems to me a mistake. A fairer view would cover the whole Delta surge (as with the estimates I make from the data in the Technical Briefings), but in any case the report gives a snapshot of current relative infection rates.
As Full Fatuous pointed out, PHE don’t recommend using this data to estimate vaccine effectiveness, saying it’s “not the most appropriate method” because it’s unadjusted for risk factors (and, inevitably, they don’t provide the data you’d need to adjust it). However, even if not recommended by PHE, it is certainly a valid method of calculating vaccine effectiveness, which is just a figure which states the relative risk reduction in the vaccinated group, as long as you bear in mind its limitations. All vaccine effectiveness estimates have limitations, and while adjusting for confounding factors is in principle important, it is helpful only if done well, and manystudies do not do it well. Unadjusted estimates from raw data are a necessary starting point.

Perhaps the key confounder for the estimates of vaccine effectiveness against infection given here is whether people have been previously infected, with a common assumption being that a higher proportion of the unvaccinated will be previously infected, due to it being a potential factor in people’s decision not to be vaccinated. This may well artificially lower the vaccine effectiveness estimates, but since no one has yet produced data showing how antibodies-from-infection split between vaccinated and unvaccinated it is hard to know how far this is the case.
Unvaccinated here means actually unvaccinated, not partially vaccinated or post-jab. Hospitalisation means “cases presenting to emergency care (within 28 days of a positive specimen) resulting in an overnight inpatient admission”.

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As England’s drawn-out Delta outbreak drags on, the infection rates in the vaccinated continue to outpace those in the unvaccinated, reducing (unadjusted) vaccine effectiveness further. For the 60s age group, infection rates are 63% higher in the vaccinated than in the unvaccinated, up from 53% last week, giving an (unadjusted) vaccine effectiveness of minus-63%. But that has been topped this week by the 40s age group, the vaccinated among whom now have an infection rate no less than 66% higher than the unvaccinated, up from 46% in last week’s report and 27% in the report for the month ending September 5th. Vaccine effectiveness has been heading downward in the 30s age group as well, now just 8%, though interestingly it has actually been increasing in the under-18s. On this data, vaccine protection against serious illness and death appears to be holding up. I have included the two previous tables below for comparison.


With infection rates now, on this data, much higher in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated, what remaining justification can there be for vaccine passports, vaccine mandates, and any other policy based on the assumption that vaccines protect other people? When will the Government face up to the reality that vaccines provide poor protection against infection, poor protection against transmission, and thus poor protection of others, and so there is no justification for continuing to build up the infrastructure of a two-tier, discriminatory state
Splatter the Data
it don't matter
their hearts are harder
then a ten pound hammer
Nevertheless
for those who you Bless
these Facts catch our eye
the Truth will not deny
Much thanks to you
for your heart is true
If you try harder
We will all be Smarter

Thank You Brother
 

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And if you think your reference to Jim Jones and Jamestown is humorous it is in poor taste my friend.
I have not made any reference to Jim Jones and Jamestown at any time on any posts. Also when some makes a reference to "pants on fire" when facts are being presented, then an appropriate response is required.
 

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I have not made any reference to Jim Jones and Jamestown at any time on any posts. Also when some makes a reference to "pants on fire" when facts are being presented, then an appropriate response is required.
that is true you did not I think it was a poem from Mr. Tree
 

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I have not made any reference to Jim Jones and Jamestown at any time on any posts. Also when some makes a reference to "pants on fire" when facts are being presented, then an appropriate response is required.
Well my mind left center field then. I actually thought you were referring to Jamestown Jones Kool aide as it was poisoned just like fake news is poison. So I humbly apologize. As for the pants on fire that was USA todays journalist rating at the end of the article titled Fact check: Fatality Rate Among.... USA Today. The article I am referring to explained that the 6% of Covid deaths were caused by the virus alone. The other 96% people had underlining conditions.

Gods Blessings
 
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Godsgirl83

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Because you [believe] anything you say i will discredit, suddenly equals, to disagreeing with the Word of God?
Are you telling me, [your Opinion] is [as equal] to God's Word?
I'm saying that no matter what I or anyone else says to you, as long as it is anything that is against the jabs you will fight tooth and nail to attack. You took this concoction (understandably why) and are very wrapped up in justifying your doing so.
Please just stop trying to twist what I am saying to you.
I'll say it again......
what I would say here will only fall on deaf ears and blind eyes.
 
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I'm saying that no matter what I or anyone else says to you, as long as it is anything that is against the jabs you will fight tooth and nail to attack. You took this concoction (understandably why) and are very wrapped up in justifying your doing so.
Please just stop trying to twist what I am saying to you.
I'll say it again......
what I would say here will only fall on deaf ears and blind eyes.
Let's get one thing straight here, I am NOT PRO Vaccine!
But, I am Pro Pfizer vs the Others!
Because, I have similar Data Research we researched in 2000/2001 using the fetal Cell Examples of 1973.
Am I going to SUGGEST you get Vaxxed?
Never!
I am not going oppose you if you did or did not!

I really am here doing something on my own accord to try to make sure whatever PROOFS are given are Fact or Not!
This is just something I am doing within this Entire Group Conversation.

It does not mean you have to Agree with me!
It just means, I am being unbiased here and will call FOUL for THOSE who have chosen specific sides for either or any side.
 
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That means that 6% of those who died with COVID-19 through Aug. 15 didn’t have any other reported conditions.
It does not mean that the CDC has “quietly updated” the number of deaths associated with COVID-19 to a fraction of what had been reported. It’s also not new information; the agency has been providing the same information since May. Fact Check: What's True About Covid-19 USA today.

  • The Lambda variant is a “variant of interest” that has been spreading in South America and is now in the U.S.
  • There is some limited data showing that the Lambda variant could be more infectious than the original Alpha variant and resistant to vaccines.
  • The Lambda variant has caused very few cases of COVID illness in the U.S.
This summer, COVID-19 news has been dominated by the Delta variant, which quickly became the dominant variant in the United States. But in the last few weeks, attention has shifted to a new variant called the Lambda variant, also known as C.37.
How does the Lambda variant compare with other COVID-19 variants? Learn more about this variant and how it may impact current COVID outbreaks.

What is the Lambda variant?
The Lambda variant is a type of COVID-19 virus that was first identified in South America. The Lambda variant is different from other COVID variants because it has several mutations on its spike protein. Initial data from Japanese and Chilean research teams, which is not yet verified or published, show that these mutations may give the Lambda variant similar properties to the Delta variant — that is, these mutations could make the Lambda variant more infectious than the original Alpha variant. What’s more, these mutations could make the Lambda variant more resistant to vaccines.
Agreed!
 
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Certainly a lot more than reading a filthy Leftist rag like the NYT.

Exodus 3
15 God said moreover to Moses, “You shall tell the children of Israel this, ‘Yahweh, the God of your fathers,
the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’
This is my name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations.
The REASON I made sure to use the New York Times, because only a Real New York Jew connected to Israel would have that inside scoop. And, it's nice that Satan's Newspaper is telling us Something very Important in God's Time Frame!

And...
I mentioned the Article because they ARE PRAYING where the Ancient Temple once STOOD! That is HOLY GROUND picked out by Yahweh before the First temple was ever built. And Praying on that Same Spot should tell us the 3rd TEMPLE is Coming.
 

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No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life: that he may please Him who hath chosen him to be a soldier. II Tim
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SophieT

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DO YOU fully [understand] Every human Being does not have the Exact Same Genetics?

Some are Healthy, Some are Not!

Weak Genetics!

And now People's Genetics will have more than 5 Origins from Ancestors of Ancestors.

WE MIGHT BE INCEST INBREDS, but, WE ARE INCEST INBREDS per Groups!

Get Educated, it is Free!
well you really have found your niche, haven't you

everyone should take MY advice and just

walk

away

from this fine example of bloviating at its best

(is bloviating a word? not sure...but bloviate is. it's a verb anyway)
 
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SophieT

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I'm saying that no matter what I or anyone else says to you, as long as it is anything that is against the jabs you will fight tooth and nail to attack. You took this concoction (understandably why) and are very wrapped up in justifying your doing so.
Please just stop trying to twist what I am saying to you.
I'll say it again......
what I would say here will only fall on deaf ears and blind eyes.

please

read the last sentence of your post above again

you were right the first time you wrote it
 
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well you really have found your niche, haven't you

everyone should take MY advice and just

walk

away

from this fine example of bloviating at its best

(is bloviating a word? not sure...but bloviate is. it's a verb anyway)
You could actually present hard core numbers and make an attempt to prove me wrong, rather than complain, because you have nothing but the False Propaganda already presented.
 

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As of October 5, 2021, around 230 million Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine doses had been administered in the United States


So,
230 Million Shots given
200,000 YOUR EXAMPLE IS WORLDWIDE, in the USA only 45,000

So
230,000,000
/
45,000
=
0.00019565217

Not even one tenth of 1% for a success rate of 99.922222%

How can you complain about that SUCCESS RATE?
  • Dr. Sherri Tenpenny told Ohio lawmakers in June that COVID-19 vaccines could make people magnetic.
  • Tenpenny was recently named one of the 12 most prolific sources of anti-vax misinformation
  • See more stories on Insider's business page.
A prominent anti-vax doctor from Ohio, who pushed the false claim that COVID-19 vaccines could make people magnetic, has had her medical license renewed, according to the Ohio Capital Journal.
Dr. Sherri Tenpenny is an osteopathic physician who has spent years making unproven or exaggerated claims about vaccines.
Her license, first issued in 1984, was due to expire on October 1. It was renewed by the State Medical Board of Ohio on September 16.
Jerica Stewart, a spokesperson for the Board, confirmed to the Ohio Capital Journal that Tenpenny's license was automatically renewed until 2023.
"A recent renewal does not prevent the board from taking future disciplinary action," she said, according to the Ohio Capital Journal.
Tenpenny attracted nationwide media attention in June after she falsely told Ohio House Health Committee that the coronavirus vaccine could potentially make people "magnetized," Insider reported previously.
"You can put a key on their forehead. It sticks. You can put spoons and forks all over, and they can stick because now we think there is a metal piece to that," she said.
Tenpenny also falsely said that COVID-19 vaccines contain particles that connect a person to 5G mobile data networks.
The Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH) named Tenpenny among 12 anti-vaxxers responsible for spreading 65% of false information about vaccines in March this year.
The report caught the attention of President Joe Biden in July, who said: "These 12 people are out there giving misinformation. Anyone listening to it is getting hurt by it."
Tenpenny's Twitter account was permanently suspended in June after the company said her COVID-19 vaccine claims violated its misinformation policy.
Insider reached out to Tenpenny for further comment but did not hear back in time for publication.
Stewart said the Ohio board renews medical licenses automatically to keep up with the 92,000 practitioners in the state.
She told Insider that the complaints it receives about physicians are usually confidential, although if a licensee is disciplined by the board, the action is public record. She did not comment specifically about Tenpenny's renewal.
Mia Jankowicz contributed to this report.
Read the original article on Business Insider
Look her up Dr. Sheri Tenpenny and when you go to the link she s talking to a psychic medium you know people who talk to spirits. This is the Whistleblower. Its like you got to be kidding me. Anyone know where to get any magic beans? I do I do, Dr. Sheri Tenpenny has some. Also research exactly what a Osteopathic Physician is.

Gods Blessings LOL, LOL
 

Anthony55

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Probably way more than that. Many are being kept a secret and cause of death unknown or blamed on something else. The hypocrisy is running wild.
The Whistleblower! DR??. Sheri Tenpenny

  • Dr. Sherri Tenpenny told Ohio lawmakers in June that COVID-19 vaccines could make people magnetic.
  • Tenpenny was recently named one of the 12 most prolific sources of anti-vax misinformation
  • See more stories on Insider's business page.
A prominent anti-vax doctor from Ohio, who pushed the false claim that COVID-19 vaccines could make people magnetic, has had her medical license renewed, according to the Ohio Capital Journal.
Dr. Sherri Tenpenny is an osteopathic physician who has spent years making unproven or exaggerated claims about vaccines.
Her license, first issued in 1984, was due to expire on October 1. It was renewed by the State Medical Board of Ohio on September 16.
Jerica Stewart, a spokesperson for the Board, confirmed to the Ohio Capital Journal that Tenpenny's license was automatically renewed until 2023.
"A recent renewal does not prevent the board from taking future disciplinary action," she said, according to the Ohio Capital Journal.
Tenpenny attracted nationwide media attention in June after she falsely told Ohio House Health Committee that the coronavirus vaccine could potentially make people "magnetized," Insider reported previously.
"You can put a key on their forehead. It sticks. You can put spoons and forks all over, and they can stick because now we think there is a metal piece to that," she said.
Tenpenny also falsely said that COVID-19 vaccines contain particles that connect a person to 5G mobile data networks.
The Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH) named Tenpenny among 12 anti-vaxxers responsible for spreading 65% of false information about vaccines in March this year.
The report caught the attention of President Joe Biden in July, who said: "These 12 people are out there giving misinformation. Anyone listening to it is getting hurt by it."
Tenpenny's Twitter account was permanently suspended in June after the company said her COVID-19 vaccine claims violated its misinformation policy.
Insider reached out to Tenpenny for further comment but did not hear back in time for publication.
Stewart said the Ohio board renews medical licenses automatically to keep up with the 92,000 practitioners in the state.
She told Insider that the complaints it receives about physicians are usually confidential, although if a licensee is disciplined by the board, the action is public record. She did not comment specifically about Tenpenny's renewal.
Mia Jankowicz contributed to this report.
Read the original article on Business Insider

If you go to the link offered in the above thread she is being interviewed by Psychic Medium Reinette Senum you know the ones who
talk to spirits?


This is why people need to research.

Gods Blessings
 

Anthony55

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The Whistleblower! DR??. Sheri Tenpenny

  • Dr. Sherri Tenpenny told Ohio lawmakers in June that COVID-19 vaccines could make people magnetic.
  • Tenpenny was recently named one of the 12 most prolific sources of anti-vax misinformation
  • See more stories on Insider's business page.
A prominent anti-vax doctor from Ohio, who pushed the false claim that COVID-19 vaccines could make people magnetic, has had her medical license renewed, according to the Ohio Capital Journal.
Dr. Sherri Tenpenny is an osteopathic physician who has spent years making unproven or exaggerated claims about vaccines.
Her license, first issued in 1984, was due to expire on October 1. It was renewed by the State Medical Board of Ohio on September 16.
Jerica Stewart, a spokesperson for the Board, confirmed to the Ohio Capital Journal that Tenpenny's license was automatically renewed until 2023.
"A recent renewal does not prevent the board from taking future disciplinary action," she said, according to the Ohio Capital Journal.
Tenpenny attracted nationwide media attention in June after she falsely told Ohio House Health Committee that the coronavirus vaccine could potentially make people "magnetized," Insider reported previously.
"You can put a key on their forehead. It sticks. You can put spoons and forks all over, and they can stick because now we think there is a metal piece to that," she said.
Tenpenny also falsely said that COVID-19 vaccines contain particles that connect a person to 5G mobile data networks.
The Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH) named Tenpenny among 12 anti-vaxxers responsible for spreading 65% of false information about vaccines in March this year.
The report caught the attention of President Joe Biden in July, who said: "These 12 people are out there giving misinformation. Anyone listening to it is getting hurt by it."
Tenpenny's Twitter account was permanently suspended in June after the company said her COVID-19 vaccine claims violated its misinformation policy.
Insider reached out to Tenpenny for further comment but did not hear back in time for publication.
Stewart said the Ohio board renews medical licenses automatically to keep up with the 92,000 practitioners in the state.
She told Insider that the complaints it receives about physicians are usually confidential, although if a licensee is disciplined by the board, the action is public record. She did not comment specifically about Tenpenny's renewal.
Mia Jankowicz contributed to this report.
Read the original article on Business Insider

If you go to the link offered in the above thread she is being interviewed by Psychic Medium Reinette Senum you know the ones who
talk to spirits?


This is why people need to research.

Gods Blessings
A medium uses their talents when someone wants to communicate with a loved one who has died. They can enter the spiritual world and deliver or receive messages with a spirit. A psychic, on the other hand, uses their abilities to give you insight into your future. They may conduct a Tarot card reading that reveals things about your life and future.
 

TMS

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It is such a good plan, take our freedom away by promising freedom.

we have lost so many freedoms and the rush to vaccinate people can not be healthy. It may be safe but are you willing to gamble your life when it doesn't even solve the problem. Its only divided us and caused tension against people that want the liberty to say no.

Here in Aus we can not go to an op shop, or church unless we are double vaxed. us and them divide. apartheid.
 
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