Help my unbelieve!

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laymen

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Mark 9:24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

Unbelief?

How can one believe yet still have unbelief.?

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Unbelief and disobedience are closely related from what I can see. Anything not of faith is sin!

But this help me understand that faith does not come all at one time God gives us the faith we need and it is not our faith it is Jesus faith. Having this faith will help with disobedience it will cast down all the lies we tell our self. For we fight not flesh and bone but the war is over what is true about God. Disobedience comes from a misunderstand about God. Some say keeping the Law no longer relevant to us but the fact is when God is in you then when you see the law you walk there in it. Our motivation for good comes from none other than Jesus him self and we share his faith in the father who's Law makes up his character the 10 commandments the law of love that teaches us how to love God and how to Loves those in the world.


Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.


1 cor 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

2 cor 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) 5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
 

rstrats

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Mark 9:24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

Unbelief?

How can one believe yet still have unbelief.?
One can't, at least not about the same thing at the same time.
 
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The quick academic answer is that it has to do with ambivalence and cognitive dissonance: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/comt.12050


The scholarly scriptural answer is that some passages address this concept.

"A doubleminded man is unstable in all his ways" - James 1:8 KJV

Yes, someone can possess belief and unbelief at the same time.
 
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GOD looks at the heart man looks at the appearance.GOD gave man 5 senses See,Taste,Hear,Smell and Feel.The type of belief men use Is based on one or more of these 5 senses and thats the type of belief the man has but the kind of belief that GOD wants Is to believe without seeing.Somebody might ask,how does man believe without seeing since man looks at outward appearances and can’t see someone’s true Intent or heart?The person would have to repent IN TRUTH and then GOD will do the rest.

John 6:44
King James Version

No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

I Interpret this scripture to mean a person has to be convicted by the HOLY SPIRIT before they can come to JESUS.

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John 4:24
King James Version

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

No one can get saved by repeating words after the preacher or getting saved because you were trying to Impress a girl you like or get saved because you want to Impress your parents.Ect…

It has to be repentance and repentance from the heart true.
 

arthurfleminger

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One can't, at least not about the same thing at the same time.
We live by faith. If you are questioning your faith you are not alone. Many question their faith in Jesus. One important question to ask yourself is, "Who do you say Jesus is"? Then reason out your answer:

Jesus Asked, “Who Do You Say That I Am?”
Jesus asked His Disciples an important question, “Who do men say that I Am?”

So, who is Jesus? Let’s take a look at His life and begin with a plain fact. Throughout all history, it would be hard to find anyone whose life has had a greater impact on the world than Jesus’.

A famous author, an atheist named, H.G. Wells said, “I am not a believer, but as an historian, I must confess that this penniless preacher from Nazareth is easily the most dominant person in all history.”

Jesus’ impact on the world is amazing when we recall that he lived 2,000 years ago in a small town. We know almost nothing about His first 30 years on earth. He never traveled far from home as an adult, never held political office, never wrote a book, never invented something, never discovered anything, never led an army into battle, and He never amassed great wealth.

The three short years of His public ministry were spent in small villages. He avoided publicity and commanded His followers not to tell anyone of the miracles that they saw Him perform. He never did any of the things that are considered to be historic.

Indeed, He is remembered by eyewitnesses for being rejected by his own people, that He died naked, penniless, shamed, virtually alone, and in great agony. He appeared to be a spectacular failure.

So how is it then that Jesus has become the most influential person in the history of the world? Christians see Him as their Savior, other religions regard Him as a holy man. Nations, Cultures, even people of no Christian faith have been deeply influenced by Jesus and His teachings.

Albert Einstein wrote, I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene. He added, “No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus.”

So, what sets this man apart from the billions of others who have lived upon this earth? Jesus appears to be like some other religious figures, preaching love of neighbor and urging people to turn to God. But something separates Jesus from all the others.

Other religious leaders like Moses, Buddha, Mohammed, or Confucius claimed to have a message about God or about the right way of living. But the most they had to say about themselves was that they were prophets or wise teachers.

Unlike all these other religious figures Jesus made a far more radical claim. He claimed to be a more than a messenger from God, He claimed to be the actual Message, the Very Word of God. In short, His identity is the issue.

Jesus demanded the apostles make a decision and asked them, “Who do you say that I Am?”

Actually, the possible answers to this question are surprisingly limited. Let’s look at some of the non-believer attempts to explain Jesus.

Many non-Christians see Jesus just as being a good man, a wise man, and a great teacher.

And yet, we miss the point entirely if we treat Jesus merely as a good and wise teacher, because Jesus made far greater claims.

When Jesus claimed to forgive sins, He was making the claim that it was He was the One who was offended by men’s sins. He was criticized for forgiving sins, because only God can forgive sins. And his critics were right, Only God can forgive sins, and Jesus never disputed that.

Jesus claimed that before Abraham was, I Am. Understand what Jesus claimed here. Jesus claimed to be, “I Am”, and I Am is the Name by which God revealed Himself to Moses. Jesus is claiming to be the same eternal God who spoke to Moses from the burning bush. The religious leaders understood perfectly what He was saying and they picked up stones and attempted to kill Him for blasphemy. (John 8:58)

Jesus guided by word and example, forgiving, loving and caring for others. But far more than showing us the way, Jesus claimed that He is the Way, and the Truth, and the Life; and that no one can come to the Father but by Me.

When Jesus appeared to the Apostle Thomas, Thomas fell to the ground and worshiped Jesus praying to Him, My Lord and my God!” Being strict Jews, Jesus and the apostles worshiped only one God, but when Thomas fell down and worshiped Jesus as God, neither Jesus nor any of the other apostles corrected him. It is clear that none of Jesus disciples thought that Jesus was only a good and wise teacher.

Instead, Jesus accepted Thomas’ worship, acknowledging that He is the one God of Israel.

If Jesus’ claims weren’t true, then He could not have been a wise man, a good man, or a great teacher. Instead He would have been an egomaniac, an evil and ignorant man who didn’t teach truth. But, if Jesus’ claims are true then He is certainly much more than a good and wise teacher.

Because Jesus taught that He is God and that we are not. He emphasized that He is from above and that we are from below, that we are sinners and that He is without sin, and that God is one. Jesus had a thoroughly Jewish concept of the God of Israel; and Jesus clearly stated a number of times, “I Am!”

One atheist, who converted to Christianity, was the great Protestant thinker and writer, C.S. Lewis. He wrote, “Jesus claimed to be God, so there are only two possibilities, either He is God or He is not God.” There are no other possibilities.

He added, if Jesus is not God, then we are left with two options: He either knows that He is not God and is a liar, or he is a lunatic and mistakenly thinks that He is God.

If Jesus was a liar, His lies were about the most important things imaginable. For a man to lie about such claims to His friends and followers, He would have to been deeply evil.

Liars tell lies in the pursuit of some gain. So, if Jesus was a liar, for what purpose? What does Jesus gain as a result of His lies? Earthly power? No, when men try to crown Him, He runs away. Status? No, He only wins the admiration of unimportant people; prostitutes, tax collectors, fishermen, along with the undying hatred of powerful men bent on His destruction.

When He is on trial for His life, why would He lie when asked if He is the Christ, the Son of God? He didn’t hesitate. He answered, I AM, (Mark 14:62) thereby inviting crucifixion, the most horrific death known to man. No liar, bent on earthly gain would do this.

So, if Jesus is not God and not a liar, we are left with only one other alternative; He was mistakenly insane. The trouble with this thought is that there is nothing in Scripture to indicate that Jesus was insane. Study His interactions with His enemies or His warm conversations with His friends. No one ever thought that He was a deranged man, out of His wits.

So, if Jesus wasn’t a compulsive liar or insane, it begins to look as though there is difficulty in accounting for Jesus in any other way but the way that Peter did. When Jesus asked him, “Who do you say that I AM.” Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

And Jesus asks the same question to all people, throughout time, He asks the same question of you and me, “Who do you say that, I Am?”

ONE FINAL THOUGHT

The Apostles were the people who knew Jesus best. And they believed His claims. They believed so much that they would go out into a world filled with wolves and spread Jesus’ Gospel. Except for John, all of them willingly gave up their lives in martyrdom for their Lord and God with no expectation of earthly gain. And that's a powerful testimony!

So, each of us must answer that question that Jesus asked, "Who do you say that I am?"
 

p_rehbein

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help my unbelief.........

EXCERPT:

Response: Mark 9:24 goes back to the issue of faith as an important basis for the miracles which our Lord performed. Remember that in His home town, He "did not do many miracles there because of their unbelief" (Matt.13:58). Mark actually says that He "was not able to do any miracle there except to lay His hands on a few sick and heal them" and that "He marveled at their unbelief" (Mk.6:4-6). Now we know of a certainty that our Lord is God and that God has the power to do anything, so that Jesus "lack of ability" to do miracles in His hometown is on account of the unworthiness of the potential recipients of these miracles, and therefore is due to God's self-imposed policy of restraint in cases of disbelief, and not to any lack of inherent ability. Similarly, Christ could have turned the stones into bread at the devil's behest, but He did not because it would have been a violation of the testing which He had been led by the Spirit to endure (Matt.4).

HERE:

Can you explain 'help my unbelief!' in Mark 9:24?
 

Nebuchadnezzer

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Mark 9:24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

Unbelief?

How can one believe yet still have unbelief.?

The word


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Unbelief and disobedience are closely related from what I can see. Anything not of faith is sin!

But this help me understand that faith does not come all at one time God gives us the faith we need and it is not our faith it is Jesus faith. Having this faith will help with disobedience it will cast down all the lies we tell our self. For we fight not flesh and bone but the war is over what is true about God. Disobedience comes from a misunderstand about God. Some say keeping the Law no longer relevant to us but the fact is when God is in you then when you see the law you walk there in it. Our motivation for good comes from none other than Jesus him self and we share his faith in the father who's Law makes up his character the 10 commandments the law of love that teaches us how to love God and how to Loves those in the world.


Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.


1 cor 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

2 cor 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) 5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
One can believe on their own power "by faith" or one can believe by God's power through the Holy Spirit, this is "through faith". We start to seek God "by faith", but we are not there until we receive forgiveness and obtain a better faith through the Spirit. In the end our faith must be through God's power - not from our own strength.

Romans3:30
since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.