poll can a person still come out of hell. mutiple votes allowed
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No one is yet arrived in Hell.
There would have to be a passage of scripture that says there is repentance in Hell. I don't know of any.
Repentance was for this life. Not afterward when the atheist and others are you find out He'll is a real place. Though hell itself is always up for debate.
I guess it's a wait and see.
Wait and see if any of us end up there? Surprise! 😈
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And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
There would have to be a passage of scripture that says there is repentance in Hell. I don't know of any.
Repentance was for this life. Not afterward when the atheist and others are you find out He'll is a real place. Though hell itself is always up for debate.
I guess it's a wait and see.
Wait and see if any of us end up there? Surprise! 😈
😆
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
This is my concern too, thank-you for sharing. Just the other day on this site there was an African extremist radical group in here with YouTube videos yielding machine guns..
I know from learning about these type of radical extremist groups, they go around executing people because of their sin. It is because they believe all who don't believe as they do will go to hell, and they have the right to banish people who get in their way or don't believe as they do. So this is why they execute punishment to people. The really sad part is that they don't see smoking canibis as a sin or taking the law into their own hands a sin either..
This doctrine of extreme radicalism that is now in Christianity as well as the Muslim world also stems from the ideology of all currently burning in Hades will be cast into the lake of fire, to which scripture is not clear about this to which you have quite rightly pointed out that it does not say this..
This is in my book a real dilemma because in the radical world we see it as a form of terrorism but in the Christian forums its seen as acceptable ideology to banish somebody or fall out with people who question this belief that possible not all people in hell will suffer eternal hell forever and ever. Because of many reasons like you say people have which in some cases are valid reasons but in other cases confusion plays a valid part too. which as we can see confusion has happened many times in this thread over this matter.
The sad part is Good people invent radical groups to emerge from doctrines of, you will know them by their fruits.
My view, people are being punished in hell and there is no escape until their punishment is possibly served, which is also severe punishment that nobody would like. however sin is sin and this does not excuse sin if the punishment is not forever.. God is the one who punishes and we should not forget that or decide who should go to hell or how long they should go there for. and we should not decide who is saved and who is not. as all sin can be forgiven apart from one sin which is for God to decide on whether that person is worthy of extreme punishment, not us. And all people can be saved to.
The extremist part then goes into an argument that sin is being excused if you say people may come out of hell, which then radical groups emerge to say this is not acceptable.. Then even worse radical groups stem from those groups...
In the doctrine of once saved always saved, radical groups have emerged to say this doctrine of once saved always saved is not acceptable on the basis that it leads to people believing it is acceptable to go on sinning. when questioning some people who believe in once saved always saved and you suggest a person may come out of hell they believe that is not acceptable because this is inviting people to say you can carry on sinning.
In the people who believe in once saved always saved a doctrine emerged that there future sins are already forgiven to which many new radical extremist groups emerged over this stance to fight against this belief within christianity. The sad part is that Good people of God who believed once saved always saved is on the basis of God loves us have now invented radical extremist groups to emerge. They really should be saying is it is up to God to punish and to decide who is saved and who is not us.. But i do agree a person can feel saved and know that there saved but as far as knowing that for somebody else,, the bottom line is only God can truly know a person heart truly. A person can feel that they will always abide with God now they have found him and felt the change in themself and that they have no intention of leaving God which i do to.. But i don't want to then reason That i will always escape Gods punishment because i have been saved.. And i don't want to reason that i will always be saved when scripture is clear all have fallen short, and we must run the race until are last breath. A person could forget how important it is to remember we need saving every day quite easily orforget howimportnt it is for somebody else hotobe saved if we start to take salvation for granted..
One could now say well if you question if a person can come out of hell that is taking salvation for granted. my stance it is upto God to decide who comes out of hell and when and who goes there but they do indeed come out of that hell for Judgement at least one hell. in the first lake of fire that is known as hades that is which is upto today has had me confused to whether that hades is a type of hell which it is by the looks of things... but the second lake of fire granted that hell nobody will ever get out of there but again that is not for us to decide..and i cant see how that is taking salvation for granted.. but i could see taking salvation for granted if i decide what people will go there.
I know from learning about these type of radical extremist groups, they go around executing people because of their sin. It is because they believe all who don't believe as they do will go to hell, and they have the right to banish people who get in their way or don't believe as they do. So this is why they execute punishment to people. The really sad part is that they don't see smoking canibis as a sin or taking the law into their own hands a sin either..
This doctrine of extreme radicalism that is now in Christianity as well as the Muslim world also stems from the ideology of all currently burning in Hades will be cast into the lake of fire, to which scripture is not clear about this to which you have quite rightly pointed out that it does not say this..
This is in my book a real dilemma because in the radical world we see it as a form of terrorism but in the Christian forums its seen as acceptable ideology to banish somebody or fall out with people who question this belief that possible not all people in hell will suffer eternal hell forever and ever. Because of many reasons like you say people have which in some cases are valid reasons but in other cases confusion plays a valid part too. which as we can see confusion has happened many times in this thread over this matter.
The sad part is Good people invent radical groups to emerge from doctrines of, you will know them by their fruits.
My view, people are being punished in hell and there is no escape until their punishment is possibly served, which is also severe punishment that nobody would like. however sin is sin and this does not excuse sin if the punishment is not forever.. God is the one who punishes and we should not forget that or decide who should go to hell or how long they should go there for. and we should not decide who is saved and who is not. as all sin can be forgiven apart from one sin which is for God to decide on whether that person is worthy of extreme punishment, not us. And all people can be saved to.
The extremist part then goes into an argument that sin is being excused if you say people may come out of hell, which then radical groups emerge to say this is not acceptable.. Then even worse radical groups stem from those groups...
In the doctrine of once saved always saved, radical groups have emerged to say this doctrine of once saved always saved is not acceptable on the basis that it leads to people believing it is acceptable to go on sinning. when questioning some people who believe in once saved always saved and you suggest a person may come out of hell they believe that is not acceptable because this is inviting people to say you can carry on sinning.
In the people who believe in once saved always saved a doctrine emerged that there future sins are already forgiven to which many new radical extremist groups emerged over this stance to fight against this belief within christianity. The sad part is that Good people of God who believed once saved always saved is on the basis of God loves us have now invented radical extremist groups to emerge. They really should be saying is it is up to God to punish and to decide who is saved and who is not us.. But i do agree a person can feel saved and know that there saved but as far as knowing that for somebody else,, the bottom line is only God can truly know a person heart truly. A person can feel that they will always abide with God now they have found him and felt the change in themself and that they have no intention of leaving God which i do to.. But i don't want to then reason That i will always escape Gods punishment because i have been saved.. And i don't want to reason that i will always be saved when scripture is clear all have fallen short, and we must run the race until are last breath. A person could forget how important it is to remember we need saving every day quite easily orforget howimportnt it is for somebody else hotobe saved if we start to take salvation for granted..
One could now say well if you question if a person can come out of hell that is taking salvation for granted. my stance it is upto God to decide who comes out of hell and when and who goes there but they do indeed come out of that hell for Judgement at least one hell. in the first lake of fire that is known as hades that is which is upto today has had me confused to whether that hades is a type of hell which it is by the looks of things... but the second lake of fire granted that hell nobody will ever get out of there but again that is not for us to decide..and i cant see how that is taking salvation for granted.. but i could see taking salvation for granted if i decide what people will go there.
Not completely true that there is no repentance in hell on the bases of how scripture could be understood. I grant no repentance in the second hell fire yes but im not sure for the first hell fire on the bases of how i understand it
The rich man begging for forgiveness as he was being burned in hellfire and being herd by abraham a man of God could be seen and mean there is a possible chance of God knowing he had not yet served his puninshemnt.. when the richman begged to be realseased abraham said no meaning abraham knew he had not yet served his punishement and abraham was tormenting the richman some more by saying there is no way out of here and that you had the law of moses to know right from wrong. You could say that abrahams may well of known the richmans pleas to be released where not on the bases he was asking for foriveness or that he was sorry, but his plea where on the bases he just wanted to be released... but the fact is a man of God was hearing his plea..
This is one stance just like your stance is one stance. abraham could well of know the richman was not sorry for his sin when he made a plea to be let out and so he had permission from God to torment him some more..personaly i have to question why the richman was allowed to be heared at all
The rich man begging for forgiveness as he was being burned in hellfire and being herd by abraham a man of God could be seen and mean there is a possible chance of God knowing he had not yet served his puninshemnt.. when the richman begged to be realseased abraham said no meaning abraham knew he had not yet served his punishement and abraham was tormenting the richman some more by saying there is no way out of here and that you had the law of moses to know right from wrong. You could say that abrahams may well of known the richmans pleas to be released where not on the bases he was asking for foriveness or that he was sorry, but his plea where on the bases he just wanted to be released... but the fact is a man of God was hearing his plea..
This is one stance just like your stance is one stance. abraham could well of know the richman was not sorry for his sin when he made a plea to be let out and so he had permission from God to torment him some more..personaly i have to question why the richman was allowed to be heared at all
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"Not completely true that there is no repentance in hell"
Post the book, chapter, and verse that supports your claim.
There will be regret in Hell when people do arrive there. There is no repentance that will extricate a person from Hell once there.
The living definition of repentance would mean nothing if those who died unrepentant could achieve salvation after they died and find out they should have believed when they had the chance.
Post the book, chapter, and verse that supports your claim.
There will be regret in Hell when people do arrive there. There is no repentance that will extricate a person from Hell once there.
The living definition of repentance would mean nothing if those who died unrepentant could achieve salvation after they died and find out they should have believed when they had the chance.
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Which hellare talking about
which hell are you talking about,, the final hell or the one that is currently in existence ?..
Repentance means to rethink also and the rich man in hell was made to rethink by abraham.. abraham told him there is no way out of here and you had the law of moses.... this would have made the rich man rethink after abraham said what he said to the rich man burning in the hell fire... this is the picture i see.. the first hell fire is not the final hell fire. plus no living person has gone to the final hell fire yet.
which hell are you talking about,, the final hell or the one that is currently in existence ?..
Repentance means to rethink also and the rich man in hell was made to rethink by abraham.. abraham told him there is no way out of here and you had the law of moses.... this would have made the rich man rethink after abraham said what he said to the rich man burning in the hell fire... this is the picture i see.. the first hell fire is not the final hell fire. plus no living person has gone to the final hell fire yet.
Re[entance in hell is possible for this scripture to
8 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 19 in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, 20 because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water...
people would say that this spiritual prison was not hades the hellfire, but abrahams bussom but how can you call abrahams bussom a prison ? and why would Jesus preach to people in a hell fire
8 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 19 in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, 20 because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water...
people would say that this spiritual prison was not hades the hellfire, but abrahams bussom but how can you call abrahams bussom a prison ? and why would Jesus preach to people in a hell fire