What are you thoughts on Annihilation?

1 John 5 -

"11 And this is the testimony: that God has given to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 The one having the Son has life; the one not having the Son of God does not have life."


No, unbelievers do not (and will not ever) have "everlasting life"

I agree but there are many here who promote that the unsaved are alive forever which is not a biblical doctrine.

My pleasure.

First death that occurred in the Bible was back in Genesis where God said 'in that day' [you eat the fruit] you shall surely die. By my understanding, the first death would then be spiritual death.

Physical death, then, isn't factored into the first or second death. For example, Jesus physically died, but never Spiritually died.

'The lake of fire: which is the second death' is symbolism since it is a thing that represents another thing. LoF is second death which is describing the state of being of death.

Revelation 20:14
“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”

Non-living things like "death and hell" are put to death. Since that's impossible it means that the lake of fire is a symbol, in my opinion.

Eternal tormenters believe that people are currently are awake in hell being tormented forever, not me.

I am of the mindset that Jesus did not waste any words. The word "may" means the possibility of something happening.

And that's what makes eternal torment a Biblically inconsistent interpretation of scripture. You're talking about people living forever in hell without realizing that you're describing eternal life for the damned.

My interpretation has Biblical support despite your claims of me introducing contradictions.

I am of the mindset that Jesus did not waste any words. The word "may" means the possibility of something happening.

This is why Jesus says "whomsoever the Son will reveal Him" below. Jesus decides who He will His Father to, meaning that Jesus has the option of not revealing His Father.

Matthew 11:27
27All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

As far as the term "everlasting destruction," consider the word "destruction [G3639]," here, means "ruin" (even in the 2Th1:9 passage under discussion):


1Co 5:5
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction G3639 of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1Th 5:3
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction G3639 cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

2Th 1:9
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction G3639 from [apo G575] the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

1Ti 6:9
But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction G3639 and perdition.

And what verse says the soul is eternal?

The `fire` I believe is their own thoughts that they are in the own mind and emotions - forever. As they do not have a physical body a fire as we know it would not harm them.

They will have a physical body...that's what the resurrection is for.

`And God formed man of the dust of the ground, and BREATHED into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE, and man became a LIVING being.` (Gen. 2: 7)

God`s BREATH is eternal, as everything of God is.

Remember that `earth and the heaven fled away,` and then the Great White throne. The `dead` are then `standing before God.` (Rev. 20: 11) No one in the physical body outside of Christ can `stand` before God. It refers to the souls of people being made aware of God and His judgments.

For those reading, beware of TDW posts because they often will not post an entire definition because they like to cherry pick or misrepresent what a word means like they have done here. "ruin" is only one part of the actual full definition as I will show:

G3639
ὄλεθρος
olethros
ol'-eth-ros
From ὄλλυμι ollumi a primary word (to destroy; a prolonged form); ruin, that is, death, punishment: - destruction.
Total KJV occurrences: 4


Since TDW does not believe unsaved will be dead, but will be alive forever, it's important for them to NOT include full definition because it disputes what they are claiming about this word's meaning.

But I was speaking of what 1 John 5:11 was saying: "this life is in His Son"

-- https://biblehub.com/text/1_john/5-11.htm

That's a false conclusion. Adam was not an eternal being since he died. Nothing here suggests a human soul is eternal. It is not eternal.

"the one not having the Son of God does not have life. "


People need to STOP saying the unsaved are alive because they will not have life, any kind of life. The only people alive forever are the saved Christians!

Death in the physical sense is the last enemy and death spiritually at the Great white throne is because those souls not turning to God have not `life,` which is Christ. Everything outside of Christ is the second death - everlastingly having your own way in thought and emotions.

Adam`s body died but NOT his soul, for it is eternal.

The text states that we as believers have eternal life NOW.


What do unbelievers have even now??

... even now... while they are physically still-alive.

No, second death is to be dead forever which means no thought and emotion, nothing will remain alive in lake of fire. That's why it's called the second DEATH.

That is misrepresenting God`s great mercy. How on earth did people before Christ know of Him? What about those in deepest darkest wherever? God unfolded concerning Himself and His purposes overtime and people are judged upon the revelation given. All are given the knowledge of the Creator. (Rom. 1: 20) from there over time God reveals more till finally we today have the PRIVILEGE of knowing about God`s purpose through Christ.

Many are accounted righteous because they believed what God told them and promised them. (Heb. 11)

Note - all are saved BECAUSE of Christ`s sacrifice, BUT not all knew of that.

No man has an eternal soul. The bible never says soul is eternal.

Mortal life, obviously. They won't have that in lake of fire!