The teaching of Paul and Christ is different.

Paul certainly did not teach that obedience is not necessary! What he taught us is the manner in which be obey!

Not according to our own strength and ability, but by the guiding of the Holy Spirit, allowing Christ to live through us.

You see, God will not accept anything from fallen man, our deeds are worthless to Him. On the other hand, if we surrender our lives to Christ, thereby allowing Him to live through us, the Holy Spirit will bring forth the fruits through us that God will accept.

Here’s an example: Is our forgiveness based upon forgiving others or the shed blood of Jesus Christ?

Matthew 6
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

What I see about Christ's ministry is that it was a shadow of the things to come. He often preached the kingdom of heaven because it's a shadow of what things will be like in the Millennial Kingdom, New Heaven, and New Earth.

God has established that He gives us a glimpse of what is to come.

Colossians 2:17
17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Hebrews 10:1
1For the law having a shadow of good things to come...

What wonderful thoughts are expressed, I feel blessed by your posts. Thanks.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

I'd say they were wrong...

op: teaching of Paul and Christ is different?

1) the teaching of the twelve Was Exactly What Christ "Taught them, on the earth!
(see the FOUR gospels)

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2) The teaching of Paul Is Exactly What CHRIST "Taught him, From Heaven!
(Romans - Philemon!) Amen?

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It seems to me that unless people have the words of Christ firmly in their hearts, they misread Paul. Christ taught how to reside in the world but live in the kingdom of heaven as their real home. Paul's teaching was centered on accepting Christ as savior.

A study centered on the gospels leaves no doubt that our lives are to reflect Christ in our hearts, but by only reading Paul people even question the need for the law.

“For the law was given by Moses,

but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:17‬ ‭

Moses ministry is the law and indeed it was the fore shadow Of Christs gospel which is Gods word forever whatever Jesus says is the judgement of God

the law meaning everything in Moses book , the priesthood of Aaron , the animal sacrifices for sin and fellowship with God even the earthly promised land was an earthly foreshadow of what Jesus has done for mankind and the true promised land he’s offered all people in Christ

“If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect,

but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

….But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:11-12, 15-16, 18-19, 22, 24-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Your quote comes out of an explaination that the two covenants are completely seperate this let speaking of the priesthood of Aaron who immediately built a golden calf to worship . And Jesus priesthood which is the original order in Abraham’s time snd well
Before Aaron and Moses were born or the commandments were spoken from Sinai.

“For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8:4-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

What God said through jesus is salvstion and eternal Life , what he said through Moses has been fulfilled because all have sinned or will sin and we’re sentenced to death or will be by the written words in the the law so we have to get baptized in order to have the law fulfilled and start believing the gospel and following Jesus our Lord and intercessor and his ways and words of everlasting life in his kingdom

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


We can’t get to Jesus by following the instructions of how to cross the Jordan into Israel’s ancient earthly land the law is for that it has nothing to do with the promises Jesus gave all his promises are according to his word and blood . Moses law offered what promises it has written in it

if we obey Moses law we will be violating Jesus Word

The teaching of Paul and Christ is different.

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Not really. Paul was doing two things according to God's will: (1) he was building on the foundation already laid by Christ, therefore not simply repeating what the Lord had already said, and (3) he was presenting the new revelations given to him by Christ directly.
There is absolutely no conflict between Christ and Paul (or any of the other apostles).

The kingdom according to the law of Moses had earthly commands and earthly rewards. They were not told to be circumcised in the flesh to illustrate true circumcision, for example. Christ brought in the new covenant and the kingdom of heaven with the spirit of the law. It was a new way of understanding the law so it was new, but at the same time the law did not change. Christ said in Matt. 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Christ fulfilled all that was told of the law and made the law perfect.

If they say that obedience is unnecessary meaning that Paul said to start a debate. Someone may raise the question of disobedience in the debate.......

If not, how could teaching of Paul be different from Christ.

Paul laid the foundation, and that foundation is Christ. Christ’s message was to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Paul’s message is for everyone.

1 Corinthians 3
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Christ was the evidence, as are we, that the law was holy. He and we who are within Him are the fulfillment of the law, the proof that the law worked to preserve the people through whom the Christ would come.

John was the last priest that administrated the law of Moses. His last priestly act was to wash the Lamb of God in preparation for his sacrifice. Upon His death the law was finished, complete. It had fulfilled its purpose.

I digress on this one

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If you mean Jesus taught a totally different and contrary law and that made Moses law perfect I guess sort of
I could agree but Moses law was always temporary until Jesus came is how I see it to hear and follow Jesus word and wisdom is what Moses would Need to Be saved. Is My view

but I think part of the issue is that some people see the law as one thing other people as just prices of what Moses said other people only the Ten Commandments ect …lots
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Dofferent views about what “The law Of Moses “ is but it’s pretty well
Explained and described from when Moses began until It’s finish just before Moses died

“And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the Lord; and how much more after my death?”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭31:24, 26-27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

so Later it was tbier law and called the “law of Moses “ together with the song of Moses is a witness against Israel’s rebellion while God was shortly with them and handed them over to the angels because of thier sin and idolatry

each covenant has its own mediator Moses the old Jesus the new thoer not the same they are seperate

“And afterward he read all the words of the law, the blessings and cursings, according to all that is written in the book of the law.”
‭‭Joshua‬ ‭8:34‬ ‭

More spiritual confusion. Israel failed miserably to keep the Law of Moses.

Yes. Christ is not only the Foundation, but His teachings were the foundation for the epistles. The apostles were the pillars in that building which is the Church. So you don't go around laying the foundation twice. Which means that everything was in perfect harmony, and there was no conflict between the Gospels and the epistles. People try to drive a wedge between Paul and Christ, but it simply will not work.

The law of Moses was given by the Lord, and that does not change by looking at the failures and successes of Israel keeping or not keeping the law given.

The sermon on the mount is the constitution for living on earth when Christ is King. It is not church doctrine. See example below.

Matthew 6
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Our forgiveness is based upon the shed blood of Jesus Christ, not forgiving others.

The question then is if Jesus cancelled the law and gave a new law, or did Jesus fulfill the law and make the law perfect.

The law to murder is an example. Jesus said you have been told not to murder, but I tell you. The law not to murder was not cancelled, it was fulfilled and made perfect.