Using Guidelines for Predictive Prophecy

Hello Blaine, I'm still learning and I hope I will until I die. You wrote something, and it was something I was taught and believed for years, "the fig tree aka Israel". Have you ever tried to find anywhere in the inspired word of God, that is written or stated? I finally found out where that idea came from, and it isn't from the Bible. It comes from a gnostic writing, The Apocalypse of Peter, and you can read it online, by using 'find on page':

From the Gnostic Society Library -
"And I, Peter, answered and said unto him: Interpret unto me concerning the fig-tree, whereby we shall perceive it; for throughout all its days doth the fig-tree send forth shoots, and every year it bringeth forth its fruit for its master. What then meaneth the parable of the fig-tree? We know it not.

And the Master (Lord) answered and said unto me: Understandest thou not that the fig-tree is the house of Israel?"
http://www.gnosis.org/library/apocpeter.htm

I believe Scripture interprets Scripture, not Gnostic writings interpreting Scripture. There have always been amil, postmil and premil in the body of Christ through the centuries, but this dispensational thing is very different and appeared in the 19th century, and seemed to gain a foothold through Bible colleges when fundamentalists pulled out of the mainline churches in the earlier 20th century. It is a teaching foreign to the historic faith as found in Christian commentaries prior to about 1850 or so.

Friend, you have such a confused view on this, apparently read out of some book other than the Bible, I do not even see a rational way to even respond. For instance, Lk 21:24 starts at 70 AD, not 600 years prior to this.

The "all be fulfilled" is referring to the signs given showing the lead up to 70 AD and the destruction of the temple. "But when ye see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that her desolation is at hand." (Luke 21:20, ERV) That happened within the time period of the generation to whom Jesus was speaking.

When you read Gill, there is no way you can find anything like a 2000 year gap in his comments. It seems that confusion is always a feature of error in doctrine.

For years I followed 'end times' teachers such as Jack Van Impe, Hal Lindsey, etc. The 1917 KJV Scofield was my Bible in my early years, until I gradually began to see I had begun unconsciously accepting the footnotes almost like the word of God itself. The notes became 'truisms' to me and that was difficult to break free from. For me, over the years the solution was to assemble the clear and natural, 'literal' if you will, statements of Scripture that can build the basis or framework of any predictive prophecy belief I'd embrace. The following are my guidelines or guardrails.

No one, not even the Son knows the season, day, or time of the second coming:

"But of that day and hour knoweth no one, not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only." (Matt 24:36, ERV)
"Therefore be ye also ready: for in an hour that ye think not the Son of man cometh." (Matt 24:44, ERV)
"But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that aught be written unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night." (1Thess 5:1-2, ERV)

Before the second coming will be a time of great wickedness, but also life going on as usual:

"And as were the days of Noah, so shall be the coming of the Son of man. For as in those days which were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall be the coming of the Son of man." (Matt 24:37-39, ERV)
"And the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." (Gen 6:5, ERV)

At the second coming, Jesus will descend from heaven just as he had ascended up to heaven:

And when he had said these things, as they were looking, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they were looking stedfastly into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye looking into heaven? this Jesus, which was received up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye beheld him going into heaven. (Acts 1:9-11, ERV)
"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." (1Thess 4:16-17, ERV)

The Second Coming, Resurrection and Judgment happen on "THE LAST DAY", not years:

"For I am come down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the will of him that sent me, that of all that which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believeth on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." (John 6:38-40, ERV)
"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my sayings, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I spake, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:48, ERV)

The Prophetic Time Frame indications all point to the 1st Century and shortly thereafter:

"Seventy weeks [490 years] are decreed upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy." (Dan 9:24, ERV) *There is NO hint of a gap between the 69th and 70th week!
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished." (Matt 24:34, ERV)
*I'll repeat from another translation:
"Mat 24:34, CEV) "I can promise you that some of the people of this generation will still be alive when all this happens."

(Then from the Book of Revelation, pertaining to the prophecy after the letters to the churches and before the resurrection and judgement starting in chapter 20; the timing is given for that period in between.)

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to shew unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John; who bare witness of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, even of all things that he saw. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things which are written therein: for the time is at hand." (Rev 1:1-3, ERV)
"And he said unto me, These words are faithful and true: and the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly come to pass... And he saith unto me, Seal not up the words of the prophecy of this book; for the time is at hand." (Rev 22:6, 10, ERV)

We are warned against going further than what is written and 'reading into' the Scriptures what is NOT stated:

"Now these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes; that in us ye might learn not to go beyond the things which are written; that no one of you be puffed up for the one against the other." (1Cor 4:6, ERV)

We are given an example of this eisegesis or reading into when it comes to knowing what is coming in the future:

"Peter therefore seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. This saying therefore went forth among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, that he should not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?" (John 21:21-23, ERV)

"To the law and to the testimony! if they speak not according to this word, surely there is no morning for them." (Isa 8:20, ERV)

I didn't say that everything in verse 24 started in 606/605bc.

Only what is referred to as "the TIMES of the Gentiles" which started in 606/605bc...

... and which phrase (in particular) refers to "Gentile domination over Israel" (think: Neb's "dream / statue / image" with Neb as "head of gold" etc).

But the phrase "the TIMES of the Gentiles" is not referring to [what some conflate it to mean] "the Church age" or the like. No.

(It is distinct from the phrase "until the FULNESS of the Gentiles be come in [G1525]"--a completely distinct thing.)



It is certain that everything from v.12 through v.24a (in Lk21) took place in [/surrounding] 70ad (parallel Matt22:7 and what Jesus said in Lk19:42-44, etc), including "and they shall be led away captive into all the nations".

The only part that extends back to 606/605bc is the phrase "the TIMES of the Gentiles" (so He's saying, "UNTIL the TIMES of the Gentiles be fulfilled"... that's the extent of how long the part about "and Jerusalem shall be TRODDEN DOWN OF the Gentiles UNTIL" will extend to, and that is what ends at Christ's Second Coming to the earth [see Rev11:2 same word "TREAD UNDERFOOT"--same time period being covered in Rev13:5-7,1--and same "character/figure/person" and beast system... i.e. the concluding aspects of it]. Rev17:8 - "...the beast that WAS, and IS NOT [at the time written] and YET SHALL BE [future tense, from the time written (i.e. 95ad)]").

So what Lk21:32's "This generation shall not pass away TILL ALL BE FULFILLED / SHALL HAVE HAPPENED" necessarily MUST INCLUDE the items ALREADY named in v.24 / ALREADY referred to IN THE CONTEXT.

And one of those things is: "and Jerusalem shall be TRODDEN DOWN OF the Gentiles UNTIL the TIMES of the Gentiles be fulfilled (Rev11:2's TIME-INDICATION INCLUDED! [i.e. the 2nd half of the "future" 7-yr period--when also Rev13:5-7,1 will play out, parallel to Daniel 7:20-25,8,11])



I never suggested GILL shows a gap of "2000 years"...

... I said he acknowledges A "GAP" in the "70 Weeks" [prophecy], between the fulfillment of the 69th Week and the start of the 70th Week... (his appears to be a shorter "gap" than many see... but is indeed a "gap" in the "70 Weeks" prophecy, from what I can tell of his viewpoint and what he says in his commentary on it, as was quoted).


I, for one, see Matt24:29-31 to correspond with Isaiah 27:9,12-13, where v.9 corresponds particularly with Rom11:27 (another reason why 70ad was not the end of the Daniel 9:24-27 prophecy... only that it was part of the "desolaTIONS [plural] are determined" Dan9 [coming SEQUENTIALLY after the conclusion of the 69 Weeks, meaning, the Dan9:24-27 prophecy is written out SEQUENTIALLY]... with the "AOD [singular/singular]" aspect being yet "future" [Dan12:11 / Matt24:14... which will take place FOLLOWING "the beginning of birth pangs," whereas the "70ad events" came "BEFORE" them, per Lk21:12's wording]).



Hope this helps you see my perspective. = )

For years I followed 'end times' teachers such as Jack Van Impe, Hal Lindsey, etc. The 1917 KJV Scofield was my Bible in my early years, until I gradually began to see I had begun unconsciously accepting the footnotes almost like the word of God itself. The notes became 'truisms' to me and that was difficult to break free from. For me, over the years the solution was to assemble the clear and natural, 'literal' if you will, statements of Scripture that can build the basis or framework of any predictive prophecy belief I'd embrace. The following are my guidelines or guardrails.

No one, not even the Son knows the season, day, or time of the second coming:

"But of that day and hour knoweth no one, not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only." (Matt 24:36, ERV)
"Therefore be ye also ready: for in an hour that ye think not the Son of man cometh." (Matt 24:44, ERV)
"But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that aught be written unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night." (1Thess 5:1-2, ERV)

Before the second coming will be a time of great wickedness, but also life going on as usual:

"And as were the days of Noah, so shall be the coming of the Son of man. For as in those days which were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall be the coming of the Son of man." (Matt 24:37-39, ERV)
"And the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." (Gen 6:5, ERV)

At the second coming, Jesus will descend from heaven just as he had ascended up to heaven:

And when he had said these things, as they were looking, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they were looking stedfastly into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye looking into heaven? this Jesus, which was received up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye beheld him going into heaven. (Acts 1:9-11, ERV)
"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." (1Thess 4:16-17, ERV)

The Second Coming, Resurrection and Judgment happen on "THE LAST DAY", not years:

"For I am come down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the will of him that sent me, that of all that which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believeth on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." (John 6:38-40, ERV)
"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my sayings, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I spake, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:48, ERV)

The Prophetic Time Frame indications all point to the 1st Century and shortly thereafter:

"Seventy weeks [490 years] are decreed upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy." (Dan 9:24, ERV) *There is NO hint of a gap between the 69th and 70th week!
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished." (Matt 24:34, ERV)
*I'll repeat from another translation:
"Mat 24:34, CEV) "I can promise you that some of the people of this generation will still be alive when all this happens."

(Then from the Book of Revelation, pertaining to the prophecy after the letters to the churches and before the resurrection and judgement starting in chapter 20; the timing is given for that period in between.)

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to shew unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John; who bare witness of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, even of all things that he saw. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things which are written therein: for the time is at hand." (Rev 1:1-3, ERV)
"And he said unto me, These words are faithful and true: and the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly come to pass... And he saith unto me, Seal not up the words of the prophecy of this book; for the time is at hand." (Rev 22:6, 10, ERV)

We are warned against going further than what is written and 'reading into' the Scriptures what is NOT stated:

"Now these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes; that in us ye might learn not to go beyond the things which are written; that no one of you be puffed up for the one against the other." (1Cor 4:6, ERV)

We are given an example of this eisegesis or reading into when it comes to knowing what is coming in the future:

"Peter therefore seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. This saying therefore went forth among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, that he should not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?" (John 21:21-23, ERV)

"To the law and to the testimony! if they speak not according to this word, surely there is no morning for them." (Isa 8:20, ERV)

Friend, you have such a confused view on this, apparently read out of some book other than the Bible, I do not even see a rational way to even respond. For instance, Lk 21:24 starts at 70 AD, not 600 years prior to this.

No, you are the new kid on the block. ;-) According to the etymology I find the following:

"preterist (n.)
"one who favors the past, one whose chief interest is in the past," 1864, from preter- "before" + -ist. As a theological term from 1843, "one who holds that the Apocalyptic prophecies have been nearly or entirely fulfilled" (opposed to futurist)."
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=preterist

I believe that the gap idea came with dispensationalism which developed in the 19th century while I follow the understanding of the church through the centuries. When you read the commentaries prior to the advent of dispensationalism you'll not find that idea of a 2000 year gap between the 69th and 70th week in order to insert a church age. For instance, the Baptist John Gill (1697-1771) who by the way was Baptist and premillennial, states on the 70 weeks of Daniel:

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people, and upon thy holy city,..... Or, "concerning thy people, and concerning thy holy city" s; that is, such a space of time is fixed upon; "cut out" t, as the word signifies; or appointed of God for the accomplishment of certain events, relative to the temporal good of the city and people of the Jews; as the rebuilding of their city and temple; the continuance of them as a people, and of their city; the coming of the Messiah to them, to obtain spiritual blessings for them, and for all the people of God; who also were Daniel's people and city in a spiritual sense, to which he belonged; and likewise what was relative to the utter ruin and destruction of the Jews as a people, and of their city: and this space of "seventy" weeks is not to be understood of weeks of days; which is too short a time for the fulfilment of so many events as are mentioned; nor were they fulfilled within such a space of time; but of weeks of years, and make up four hundred and ninety years; within which time, beginning from a date after mentioned, all the things prophesied of were accomplished; and this way of reckoning of years by days is not unusual in the sacred writings; see Genesis 29:27"
https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/geb/daniel-9.html


If you find a commentary teaching a gap between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel prior to 1830, please give me the name so I can check it out.

Now, you are practicing the error of reading into the 70 weeks, from footnotes of man's invention; practicing the art of interpreting in order to prop up a man-made theory. There is no reason at all to insert a gap there unless to force it into some hair-brained theory concocted by men. That is my conclusion after spending the first 30 years of my life under that theory.

For years I followed 'end times' teachers such as Jack Van Impe, Hal Lindsey, etc. The 1917 KJV Scofield was my Bible in my early years, until I gradually began to see I had begun unconsciously accepting the footnotes almost like the word of God itself. The notes became 'truisms' to me and that was difficult to break free from. For me, over the years the solution was to assemble the clear and natural, 'literal' if you will, statements of Scripture that can build the basis or framework of any predictive prophecy belief I'd embrace. The following are my guidelines or guardrails.

No one, not even the Son knows the season, day, or time of the second coming:

"But of that day and hour knoweth no one, not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only." (Matt 24:36, ERV)
"Therefore be ye also ready: for in an hour that ye think not the Son of man cometh." (Matt 24:44, ERV)
"But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that aught be written unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night." (1Thess 5:1-2, ERV)

Before the second coming will be a time of great wickedness, but also life going on as usual:

"And as were the days of Noah, so shall be the coming of the Son of man. For as in those days which were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall be the coming of the Son of man." (Matt 24:37-39, ERV)
"And the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." (Gen 6:5, ERV)

At the second coming, Jesus will descend from heaven just as he had ascended up to heaven:

And when he had said these things, as they were looking, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they were looking stedfastly into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye looking into heaven? this Jesus, which was received up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye beheld him going into heaven. (Acts 1:9-11, ERV)
"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." (1Thess 4:16-17, ERV)

The Second Coming, Resurrection and Judgment happen on "THE LAST DAY", not years:

"For I am come down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the will of him that sent me, that of all that which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believeth on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." (John 6:38-40, ERV)
"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my sayings, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I spake, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:48, ERV)

The Prophetic Time Frame indications all point to the 1st Century and shortly thereafter:

"Seventy weeks [490 years] are decreed upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy." (Dan 9:24, ERV) *There is NO hint of a gap between the 69th and 70th week!
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished." (Matt 24:34, ERV)
*I'll repeat from another translation:
"Mat 24:34, CEV) "I can promise you that some of the people of this generation will still be alive when all this happens."

(Then from the Book of Revelation, pertaining to the prophecy after the letters to the churches and before the resurrection and judgement starting in chapter 20; the timing is given for that period in between.)

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to shew unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John; who bare witness of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, even of all things that he saw. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things which are written therein: for the time is at hand." (Rev 1:1-3, ERV)
"And he said unto me, These words are faithful and true: and the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly come to pass... And he saith unto me, Seal not up the words of the prophecy of this book; for the time is at hand." (Rev 22:6, 10, ERV)

We are warned against going further than what is written and 'reading into' the Scriptures what is NOT stated:

"Now these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes; that in us ye might learn not to go beyond the things which are written; that no one of you be puffed up for the one against the other." (1Cor 4:6, ERV)

We are given an example of this eisegesis or reading into when it comes to knowing what is coming in the future:

"Peter therefore seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. This saying therefore went forth among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, that he should not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?" (John 21:21-23, ERV)

"To the law and to the testimony! if they speak not according to this word, surely there is no morning for them." (Isa 8:20, ERV)

That may be true, but you'll not find in the epistles that the Lord passed that date along to the Apostles to write down for us.

This Bishop Lloyd who John Gill speaks of I find hard to follow and I'm not familiar with who this Dr. Lloyd is. But earlier in Gill's comment on this verse he states this about that 70thweek:

"and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; the daily sacrifice of the Jews, and all their other offerings; and which was literally fulfilled "in the half part" {m} of this week, as it may be rendered; towards the close of the latter half of it, when the city of Jerusalem, being closely besieged by Titus, what through the closeness of the siege, the divisions of the people, and the want both of time and men, and beasts to offer, the daily sacrifice ceased, as Josephus {n} says, to the great grief of the people; nor have the Jews, ever since the destruction of their city and temple, offered any sacrifice, esteeming it unlawful so to do in a strange land:"

Gill clearly places this last week at 70AD. Admittedly how to determine the exact details of the 70th week is difficult for sure and not all are in agreement on it, but it is clear John Gill does not think it is 2000 years in the future from the destruction of the temple. If anyone knows anything about this Bishop Lloyd or his writings it may help if a reference can be given for it.

"until the fullness of the gentiles has come in" Rom 11:25
"until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled" Luke 21:24
This gap extrapolated on per Eph 3:5-9, Col 1:26, 27.

Furthermore a contiguous 70 weeks definitely does not work in terms of well known dated benchmarks such as the 444 or 445BC command of Artaxerxes Neh 2, a 30 AD crucifixion date, and a 70AD destruction of Jerusalem. It just doesn't work any which way you slice it.

Preterism is a mess. Biblical illiteracy is the problem.

Produce the commentary or Christian writing from before dispensationalism, say 1830 or so, that sees a 2000 year gap in the 70 weeks. That 2000 year gap is a nutty invention of mankind, not from God's word.

So, according to your view, what is to become of Israel? Gods covenants and promises to them must be fulfilled after all.

Produce the commentary or Christian writing from before dispensationalism, say 1830 or so, that sees a 2000 year gap in the 70 weeks. That 2000 year gap is a nutty invention of mankind, not from God's word.

You must deny the exact, literal words of God to believe that the promises have not been fulfilled:

"So the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand. There failed not aught of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass." (Josh 21:43-45, ERV)

The evasions attempted to ignore what is clearly stated are clearly in direct contradiction to the Scripture itself. It is repeated again in similar wording:

"And, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the LORD your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, not one thing hath failed thereof. And it shall come to pass, that as all the good things are come upon you of which the LORD your God spake unto you, so shall the LORD bring upon you all the evil things, until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you." (Josh 23:14-15, ERV)

It is true that sometimes things of God are said to be done when the near certainty of them is meant; but not thousands of years later. It is clear Israel possessed all the land promised to Abraham in Gen. 15:18 as it is stated thus:

"Judah and Israel were many, as the sand which is by the sea in multitude, eating and drinking and making merry. And Solomon ruled over all the kingdoms from the River unto the land of the Philistines, and unto the border of Egypt: they brought presents, and served Solomon all the days of his life." (1Kgs 4:20-21, ERV)

The convoluted evasions men invent to circumvent the truth of God's word is truly amazing. The physical nation of Israel, the Jews of old are never to be again. The Old Covenant was annulled and abolished on the cross, and and their temple destroyed in 70 AD, never to be seen again. I doubt there is anyone alive today that can claim ancestry to the Jew of 30 AD. Are they a race? A religions? A culture? If a race, DNA sure does not show it. The religion of so-called Jews in this day is NOT the OT religion of Israel. Cultures change over time so that does not fit. Not all those claiming to be Jews today agree with Zionism as you can read online:

https://www.truetorahjews.org/mission

So let me ask you what is to become of Israel? Kicked to the curb in 70AD?

God did not say he would give it to them and that would be it

He said he gave it to them forever

last I checked, forever was still in the process of being fulfilled

Would it not be better to go to the word?

Why would we look to a history which was deep in antisemetic, and who changed how we translate prophetic writings to find the truth?

The biblical meaning of "for ever":

From the Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament:
"The LXX generally translates ‘ōlām by aiōn which has essentially the same range of meaning. That neither the Hebrew nor the Greek word in itself contains the idea of endlessness is shown both by the fact that they sometimes refer to events or conditions that occurred at a definite point in the past, and also by the fact that sometimes it is thought desirable to repeat the word, not merely saying “forever,” but “forever and ever.”
Both words came to be used to refer to a long age or period—an idea that is sometimes expressed in English by “world.” Postbiblical Jewish writings refer to the present world of toil as hā‘ōlām hazzeh and to the world to come as hā‘ōlām habbā’."