If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

Nehemiah6 · Nov 17, 2021

Context is critical, and if you take this out of context, you are going to fall into error.

1. To whom was this said? To Pontius Pilate, Roman governor of Judea

2. When was it said? Before Christ's crucifixion

3. Why was it said? So that Pilate would know that Christ would not be trying to have Himself rescued.

4. Was this a denial that Christ was King of the Jews? Absolutely not. See verses 33-34.

So what was Jesus teaching us here?

1. His present Kingdom is a spiritual Kingdom, where He rules in the hearts of His people. At the same time He was literally crucified as King of the Jews, and Pilate was the one who announced this to the whole world in Latin, Hebrew, and Greek.

2. But that spiritual Kingdom will be true only until the Second Coming of Christ "with power and great glory".

4. After His Second Coming, Christ will set up His literal, visible, physical and spiritual Kingdom on earth, and rule the nations with a rod of iron. This will be the Millennial Kingdom of Christ.

REVELATION 20: THE MILLENIAL KINGDOM OF CHRIST
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

pottersclay · Nov 17, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:

And yet it discribe some.
Your eschatology is all over the place. You have many questions but only search to find answers and not the why's to them.
There will be some that make it through the GT.
Faith must be tested or it's not faith. The Lord asked "who do you say that I am?

King of Kings....Lord of Lord's is the title given to the Christ at the end.
King of Kings represents Israel the throne of david all of man kind. King over all the earth.
Therefore there is a millennial reign.
Lord of Lord's....this refers to his divinity, his heavenly rule over all that is created.
Note.... Lord of Lords also shows that he is God.

Many don't realize what times of the gentiles ending really means. It means the end of grace has come.
No more grace. The Many who die in the GT by refusing the mark have sealed there covenant with God by their own blood and are dealt with differently. We enter in only by the blood of the lamb.
There are many things happening with in this transition from GT to millennial reign.
But the final judgement is after jesus fulfills his time on David's throne.

pittsburghjoe · Nov 17, 2021

pottersclay said:

Revelation 11:17
Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

JESUS is already Reigning, you have the nerve to say He isn't a King until the end? for real?

The seat of David was on Mount Zion. Mount Zion is GOD'S Kingdom.

The House of Jacob is Israel, JESUS Displayed that He is Reigning by Judging it.

pottersclay · Nov 17, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:

Simply put I love your zeal...you just are all over the map on your understanding.

pittsburghjoe · Nov 17, 2021

pottersclay said:

Being an Ambassador to The King means something right now.

Why in the world would there be a thousand years where people get a better chance of being Saved?

Zechariah 8:3
Thus saith the LORD; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts the holy mountain.

Isaiah 16:5
And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness.

Charlie24 · Nov 18, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:

The thousand year reign of Christ is a switching of world power from the Gentiles to Israel! The Jews will reign supreme over this world as God originally planned. The entire world will come through the Jews to see Christ.

Zech. 8:23

"Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you."

The Jews failed miserably and denied their own Messiah, and when they said, "crucify Him and let His blood be on our children and our children's children" they became a curse to all the nations and have suffered ever since.

But Paul tells us that in the future "all of Israel will be saved." Israel will become what God originally planned them to be. This takes place at the Second Coming when the anti-christ has all but destroyed Israel, having already killed 2/3 of the Jews. When he closes in for the kill to completely destroy the Jews from the face of the earth, the Jews having no hope of survival call on God for His mercy and deliverance.

This is when the eastern sky splits and the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords become the warrior Messiah that Israel looked for the first time. He destroys the anti-christ and as Zechariah says, "they shall see the One whom they have pierced."

"There shall be great mourning in the land of Israel" when they realize that Jesus was the Christ all along. Every Jew in the entire world will go the Israel, those who are still alive!

For 1000 years the Jews will reign as the premiere nation on this earth and all the Gentile nations will pay them respect. They will "no longer be the tail, but they will be the head" as God said they will be!

soberxp · Nov 18, 2021

my kingdom is not this world........
your kingdom come ........
Is it because human as bad as we can ?
So the world is not kingdom of God.

pittsburghjoe · Nov 18, 2021

Charlie24 said:

Where in scripture does it say New Jerusalem touches the ground?

Zechariah 9:9
Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

JESUS said “The Gospel of The Kingdom” needed to spread before the end of this reality. Most ignore “The Kingdom” part.

Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

At the end, Jews will be woken up and call out to JESUS.

Matthew 23:39
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Charlie24 · Nov 18, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:

Rev. 21:1-2

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

This is when God changes His headquarters, so to speak, from heaven to earth.

Charlie24 · Nov 18, 2021

Charlie24 said:

The New Jerusalem that comes down from heaven in the end is now in heaven. The born-again in heaven are occupying that New Jerusalem right now! They are awaiting the resurrection when our salvation will be completed.

pittsburghjoe · Nov 18, 2021

Matthew 6:10 “Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.“

Is it future tense because you want it to be?

Did you watch the short video from the first post?

Charlie24 · Nov 18, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:

Paul said that we have a down-payment on our salvation, the Holy Spirit!

While in this life the Kingdom lives within us, that being Christ through the Holy Spirit.

The physical kingdom is yet to come when our salvation is complete at the resurrection!

soberxp · Nov 18, 2021

I want it

pittsburghjoe said:

I hope it now.
May the will of God be done on earth as it is in heaven.
but if the will of God be patience on earth,so be it.

I can't open YouTube here in China,needs VPN

p_rehbein · Nov 18, 2021

Jesus IS the King! The Kingdom came down to earth with Him.

Jesus is the kingdom. Where the king is, there is the kingdom. This is precisely why Jesus says to the Pharisees, “The kingdom of God is in the midst of you” (Luke 17:21). As Graeme Goldsworthy teaches, Jesus embodies the kingdom motif of God’s people in God’s place under God’s rule.

pittsburghjoe · Nov 18, 2021

Romans 14:17
For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Charlie24 · Nov 18, 2021

p_rehbein said:

When Jesus told the Pharisees "the kingdom is in the midst of you" He was speaking of believers in the midst.

Jesus

pittsburghjoe said:

The "meat and drink" Paul is referring to is rules, regulations, ceremonies, rituals, etc.

You must remember the Law of Moses pointed to Christ, it was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ.

pittsburghjoe · Nov 18, 2021

Matthew 3:1-3
In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

pittsburghjoe · Nov 18, 2021

There was darkness before The Light.

Matthew 4:16-17
The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mofastus · Nov 18, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:

I thought all yesterday about an answer to the rest of your reply, because there is no short answer. However, with threads like this one and others that I have taken part in, I look forward in the discussions that already show it and as well through-out the Bible. Thank you for the different threads you've put up.

and in honesty of why in my consideration of putting up Hebrews 9:14 after my statement which included both covenants and the idea of this thread speaking on the kingdom of God. The verses my thoughts were forefront on in posting it were, *** Proverbs 1:23, Isaiah 55:6-7, Ephesians 2:8, Philippians 3:3, 1 John 2:20,27

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Proverbs 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

Isaiah 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:

Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

1 John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

in addition with your post, showing me all the promises of God are yea and amen in both covenants and with obtaining the new covenant the liberty of paradise it self, " the keys of both heaven and hell"

Thank you Jesus !!!

pittsburghjoe · Nov 18, 2021

Revelation 1:5-6 NASB

and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood- [6] and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father-to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

"We have been made into a kingdom of which we are priests. All who believe live in the sphere of God’s rule, a kingdom entered by faith in Jesus Christ. And as priests, believers have the right to enter God’s presence."

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