Seventh Day Adventist

The 10 commandments were the basis of God's covenant of laws with Israel, no one else. A day of rest each week is essential for good health, physical and mental. However, no one was telling that to the people of Asia and the Americas, or even Australia, in the days of Moses.
3Now we who have believed enter that rest.
We enter God's rest by faith. When we are striving to be good, law (as in commandment) abiding Christians, we are not at rest. It's hard work. When we live in the light of the fact that God put us to death and that Lord Jesus is now the Christian's new life, we live in rest and peace.
All Christians should have a sign around their necks: "Under New Management". That management is, of course, the Lord Jesus. When He is running the show, everything works out. If we are trying to live the Christian life, we will fail just as surely as Israel failed God's covenant with them.

It was the chosen peoples Gob to be a light to the world. If they lived and acted the way God asked and surrounding nations seen the God of Heaven in them all nations would have been atracted to God and many people would have been converted. But Israel failed. So the light did not go out like God intended.

True without law there is no understanding of sin and God is the Judge of all people, we all sin and fall short of the glory of God.
We believe and enter rest....... you have spiritualized the Sabbath and said we just keep it spiritually. Why? Why take away the sanctity of the wonderful gift that God has given from creation.
We can't keep the law and if we try we will fail, and it is not by keeping the law that we are saved. It is by faith in Jesus.
Jesus wants to put the law in our hearts and minds and wants to manage us (imparted righteousness), but that does not mean we can steal and kill and bow down to graven images. Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

When we try to do good we will fail but if we let the Spirit do Good in us we will succeed. We rest the peace of Jesus as our imputed righteousness as you said but faith does not stop there, Faith in Gods power and love for God enables us to move forward.

To say you will not keep the Sabbath because it is too hard tells me you are relying on the flesh. It is all about Jesus in us and Jesus can and will enable you to succeed.

1Jn_4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
2Pe 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
2Pe 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
2Pe 1:7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
2Pe 1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Hi TMS,

I just in the last few months have changed my thinking about the Sabbath--well actually not changed rather DISCOVERED that I had been conditioned to going on Sunday--and that it had been called the Sabbath when I was growing up---people honored Sunday so why not Saturday? I am so confused when people say Jesus is our Sabbath Rest, but that is a metaphor of not being bound to keep the law--that has nothing to do with the literal day of rest--and let me tell you, once I studied that matter it was clear as day! It wasn't months or days or hours--it was minutes--simply because I asked myself the question--why do we believe we need to keep the other nine commandmets, but not just one--and it's' not about legalism--it is a blessing and a gift--a day for us to set aside to rest, to remember God's finished work of creation and as the Christians did in the first century, gather in assembly--and I do think we should have an opportunity every day to gather and worship. As a matter of fact--I am having my very first sabbath service in 10 minutes! sorry not time to edit!

It isn't about legalism, i agree.. It is a blessing.
Many people claim that i am keeping the sabbath to work my way to heaven.
I say to them " Why don't you steal, and murder your neighbour?" It's a simple question and they will give different answers but mostly because "it is the wrong thing to do". then i say they are working their way to heaven by keeping the law.
I keep the sabbath because i love Jesus not to be save but because i am saved.

The one law in the 10 that God said to remember is the one that people have change and forgotten.

It was the chosen peoples Gob to be a light to the world. If they lived and acted the way God asked and surrounding nations seen the God of Heaven in them all nations would have been atracted to God and many people would have been converted. But Israel failed. So the light did not go out like God intended.

True without law there is no understanding of sin and God is the Judge of all people, we all sin and fall short of the glory of God.
We believe and enter rest....... you have spiritualized the Sabbath and said we just keep it spiritually. Why? Why take away the sanctity of the wonderful gift that God has given from creation.
We can't keep the law and if we try we will fail, and it is not by keeping the law that we are saved. It is by faith in Jesus.
Jesus wants to put the law in our hearts and minds and wants to manage us (imparted righteousness), but that does not mean we can steal and kill and bow down to graven images. Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

When we try to do good we will fail but if we let the Spirit do Good in us we will succeed. We rest the peace of Jesus as our imputed righteousness as you said but faith does not stop there, Faith in Gods power and love for God enables us to move forward.

To say you will not keep the Sabbath because it is too hard tells me you are relying on the flesh. It is all about Jesus in us and Jesus can and will enable you to succeed.

1Jn_4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
2Pe 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
2Pe 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
2Pe 1:7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
2Pe 1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Hi TMS,

I just in the last few months have changed my thinking about the Sabbath--well actually not changed rather DISCOVERED that I had been conditioned to going on Sunday--and that it had been called the Sabbath when I was growing up---people honored Sunday so why not Saturday? I am so confused when people say Jesus is our Sabbath Rest, but that is a metaphor of not being bound to keep the law--that has nothing to do with the literal day of rest--and let me tell you, once I studied that matter it was clear as day! It wasn't months or days or hours--it was minutes--simply because I asked myself the question--why do we believe we need to keep the other nine commandmets, but not just one--and it's' not about legalism--it is a blessing and a gift--a day for us to set aside to rest, to remember God's finished work of creation and as the Christians did in the first century, gather in assembly--and I do think we should have an opportunity every day to gather and worship. As a matter of fact--I am having my very first sabbath service in 10 minutes! sorry not time to edit!

This is why I do not keep the commandments. It's in your Bible too:
2 Corinthians 3:

7Now if the ministry of death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at the face of Moses because of its fleeting glory, 8will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9For if the ministry of condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry of righteousness! 10Indeed, what was once glorious has no glory now in comparison to the glory that surpasses it. 11For if what was fading away came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which endures!

12Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. 13We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at the end of what was fading away.

14But their minds were closed. For to this day the same veil remains at the reading of the old covenant. It has not been lifted, because only in Christ can it be removed. 15And even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into His image with intensifying glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

You may want to be bound by the ministry of death. You may want to live in the shadows. You may want to keep a veil over your mind. Me, I prefer life, I live the the faith of the Son of God and by the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus.

Just take every seventh year off work and you'll be fine.

I was addressing TMS or did you miss that?


I am not a 7th day Adventist, btw,--in fact I attended my VERY First Sabbath Service today!

It's getting so tiresome that no one seems to read what TMS and I actually believe about the Sabbath.--we are NOT , I repeat we are NOT legalistic about keeping the Sabbath. We believe Christ's word's : "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath"-

-You can read in Acts how Paul and the believers, both Jew and Gentile, gathered in assembly at the synagogues on the SABBATH as well as daily.

We believe, as Christ and the apostle John said:

“If you love me, keep my commands.--John 14:15

"For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome, "--1st John 5:3

So then it would follow if you believe you don't need to keep 4th Commandment to remember the Sabbath then you don't need to obey the other 9 either, you can go ahead

• covet,
• worship other gods
• commit adultery
• bear false witness
• make graven images
• not honor your father and mother
• murder
• steal
• covet

How is honoring the sabbath keeping the law when it was given to us as a day of rest and to remember God' finished work of creation, which is pointing to our final Sabbath rest at the end of the age. Jesus as our Sabbath rest is a metaphor for SPIRITUAL rest--it does not replace the literal sabbath day. and as the verse above says it is NOT a burden--how on earth is RESTING, a burden?

the 10 Commandments that were written in stone, by the very finger of God,this signifies they are to be obeyed into perpetuity--they are NOT the Mosaic Law

I did not miss that. I hate to see Christians sucked into dead legalism. Do you just choose which bits of the Bible to believe? The 10 commandments are on stone, the letter that kills. I did not make that up. The law is the shadow. Christ is the light. I did not make that up either. If you choose to live by the law, you miss out on God's grace. That's a great shame, because you end up in life of defeat and failure.

Do you know what observing the sabbath entails? Do you have a place to meet that you can walk to without raising a sweat? You can't drive, that's work. Do you cook on the sabbath? Wrong. Do you cook beforehand? Even if you do, if your reheat the food that is work. The list of prohibitions is limited only by the imagination of those who seek to enslave God's people.

God gave us His Spirit so that we could walk in the Spirit and bear fruit. Love. joy, peace and so on. The Law of the Spirit of Life brings liberty, not obedience to a set of rules. The life of Christ within me leads me in the way that pleases God. If I work, then I can claim credit for what I do as a Christian. If Lord Jesus does the living then all the glory goes to Him. Boasting is excluded.

If you read the sermon on the mount, you will find that God's real intent is for His people to live far above the law. Someone said to Lord Jesus that the first two commandments are the greatest. Lord Jesus commended that person as being not far from the kingdom of God. Not far is not in. Lord Jesus preached the gospel of the Kingdom.

I did not miss that. I hate to see Christians sucked into dead legalism. Do you just choose which bits of the Bible to believe? The 10 commandments are on stone, the letter that kills. I did not make that up. The law is the shadow. Christ is the light. I did not make that up either. If you choose to live by the law, you miss out on God's grace. That's a great shame, because you end up in life of defeat and failure.

Do you know what observing the sabbath entails? Do you have a place to meet that you can walk to without raising a sweat? You can't drive, that's work. Do you cook on the sabbath? Wrong. Do you cook beforehand? Even if you do, if your reheat the food that is work. The list of prohibitions is limited only by the imagination of those who seek to enslave God's people.

God gave us His Spirit so that we could walk in the Spirit and bear fruit. Love. joy, peace and so on. The Law of the Spirit of Life brings liberty, not obedience to a set of rules. The life of Christ within me leads me in the way that pleases God. If I work, then I can claim credit for what I do as a Christian. If Lord Jesus does the living then all the glory goes to Him. Boasting is excluded.

If you read the sermon on the mount, you will find that God's real intent is for His people to live far above the law. Someone said to Lord Jesus that the first two commandments are the greatest. Lord Jesus commended that person as being not far from the kingdom of God. Not far is not in. Lord Jesus preached the gospel of the Kingdom.[/QUOT


Actually yet again, you missed everything I wrote. So you believe that the 10 Commandments are the same of the Mosaic Law?

How is not coveting or murdering or committing or any of the nine commandments works of the law?

The 10 Commandments are a package deal--if you don't thing you need to obey one, then that would follow you don't need to keep the other. So that would mean you do not have to refrain from murder, adultery coveting, and all the rest of the 10 commandments--since in refraining from them you would be doing works of the work of the law. Does that make any sense?

Common sense dictates we need to keep them ALL. And we aren't to tack on a bunch of do's and dont's--Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath is a day of REST--the seventh day is Saturday,not Sunday. As I said to another poster if they have to work on Saturdaythen God understands--God made it to give us a day of rest--it is "not a burden" and a day to remember His wondrous work of creation and points to our ultimate Sabbath Rest in eternity.

Again Jesus as our Sabbath rest is a metaphor for our spiritual rest in Him--it does not replace the literal Sabbath day of rest and memorial to God---we know longer need to keep a long list of rules from the Mosaic law--THAT is the 'works of the law' by the way, not the 10 Commandments.


As to works. How is the fruit of the spirit manifested except thru works--NOT works of the Law, but the works God called us to do. Works do not save us, but God does require us to live in obedience to Him and His Commandments--even unbelievers obey in their own conscience many of God's commands because He has written them on humanities hearts.

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14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." James 2:14-26

why Sunday...because the first day of the week is celebrated as The Lords Day (the day Jesus was resurrected) I thought all christians knew this.

Most people have the weekend off work so actually have a bonus two days and work the other five. And the people that work on Saturday and Sunday often do it voluntarily.

Schools have always been Monday to Friday. Most offices and factories are also Monday to Friday.
While plants and animals dont really take a day off in every seven for growing, they do have rest periods according to the moon.

To have an entire nation take a sabbath may mean that farmers are not able to get their goods to market on MONDAY. lol
Easy to do in a small nation like Israel (who are surrounded by heathen nations working all the time) but you try doing this in the US or Russia or China....

Constantine declares Sunday the official day of rest:

Sunday was another work day in the Roman Empire. On March 7, 321, however, Roman Emperor Constantine I issued a civil decree making Sunday a day of rest from labor, stating:[40]