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That is right, and I daily spend hours in scripture, it is there for you to read. You also have a concordance that can give you every verse on any one subject, so you need not cherrypick.
According to your posts, there seems to be a need for an understanding of circumcision. I suggest reading about Philadelphia in Revelations, 3:7-13.
According to your posts, there seems to be a need for an understanding of circumcision. I suggest reading about Philadelphia in Revelations, 3:7-13.
Psalm 24:1-2
A Psalm of David. The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof, the world and those
who dwell therein, for He has founded it upon the seas and established it upon the rivers.
Deuteronomy 10:14
Behold, to the Lord your God belong heaven and the heaven of heavens, the earth with all that is in it.
Colossians 1:16
For by Him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones
or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through Him and for Him.
A Psalm of David. The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof, the world and those
who dwell therein, for He has founded it upon the seas and established it upon the rivers.
Deuteronomy 10:14
Behold, to the Lord your God belong heaven and the heaven of heavens, the earth with all that is in it.
Colossians 1:16
For by Him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones
or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through Him and for Him.
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Moses second wife was an Ethiopian women. Bet you a dime to a dollar she didn't have blue eyes. There was never a man like Moses who spoke with God face to face as a man speaks with his friend. The Bible says "God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.......If you do not view God as Moral Infinitum as someone in which the Word of God describes as someone in which it is "Impossible for Him to lie". Isn't it really the same thing ? It is impossible for Him to be racist ? How are you going to Trust God ?
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Incorrect. Circumcision just doesn't matter, there is nothing that states Gentiles should not be circumcised. It just isn't obligatory for faith in Christ and is not part of the NT commandments.
"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature." - Gal 6:15 KJV
"Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God." - 1 Cor 7:19 KJV
"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature." - Gal 6:15 KJV
"Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God." - 1 Cor 7:19 KJV
There is a BIG difference between having flesh cut and calling it being circumcised and the circumcision of the heart. We are not to get the two separate ideas mixed up.
God used the cutting of flesh commandment to illustrate the meaning of true circumcision. It was like teaching in stone instead of through the heart. When Christ came he explained how the commandments were now in the heart by listing the commandment in stone and saying "you have been told" then saying "but I tell you". It is in Matthew 5, starting with verse 21. It applies to all the commandments given in stone, and explains how those same commandments are to be understood through the heart.
We are told we are a separate people who belong to Christ. That is being circumcised.
God used the cutting of flesh commandment to illustrate the meaning of true circumcision. It was like teaching in stone instead of through the heart. When Christ came he explained how the commandments were now in the heart by listing the commandment in stone and saying "you have been told" then saying "but I tell you". It is in Matthew 5, starting with verse 21. It applies to all the commandments given in stone, and explains how those same commandments are to be understood through the heart.
We are told we are a separate people who belong to Christ. That is being circumcised.
If I am not mistaken, the Galatians and Corinthians references to circumcision are both speaking to the physical practice of circumcision as mandated for males of the faith in the OT.
Some Christians of the time that hailed from Jewish traditions still believed that physical circumcision was a requirement for salvation and therein tried to convince others that this was the case (a covenant with Yahweh was entered through blood sacrifice which seemingly used to be paid by the physical circumcision but is now replaced by Christ). Paul stepped in to say that the works of OT law would not grant salvation and that it was wrong to impose that. Instead he simply noted that it didn't matter whether Christian men were circumcised or uncircumcised in the same way that he spoke of idols not mattering. It's what's on the inside that counts.
I don't think we're on separate pages when it comes to the spiritual circumcision. But when speaking about physical circumcision, the other user claimed that "the new testament states that Gentiles are not to be circumcised" that was categorically incorrect. That's not what Paul or Christ said. It is permissible to physically circumcise or not. The point was that it is essentially a vestigial practice that has no spiritual bearing in Christianity (outside of one's conscience).
Some Christians of the time that hailed from Jewish traditions still believed that physical circumcision was a requirement for salvation and therein tried to convince others that this was the case (a covenant with Yahweh was entered through blood sacrifice which seemingly used to be paid by the physical circumcision but is now replaced by Christ). Paul stepped in to say that the works of OT law would not grant salvation and that it was wrong to impose that. Instead he simply noted that it didn't matter whether Christian men were circumcised or uncircumcised in the same way that he spoke of idols not mattering. It's what's on the inside that counts.
I don't think we're on separate pages when it comes to the spiritual circumcision. But when speaking about physical circumcision, the other user claimed that "the new testament states that Gentiles are not to be circumcised" that was categorically incorrect. That's not what Paul or Christ said. It is permissible to physically circumcise or not. The point was that it is essentially a vestigial practice that has no spiritual bearing in Christianity (outside of one's conscience).
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How do we Recognize Heresy and the Heretic?
An early tip off comes when you hear it proudly stated, "No Creed but the Bible" and this is usually accompanied with quoting the Apostle John out of context in the following:
"And as for you, the anointing which ye received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any one teach you; but as his anointing teacheth you concerning all things, and is true, and is no lie, and even as it taught you, ye abide in him." (1John 2:27, ERV)
It is obvious, John is teaching them in that very statement, and God gave teachers to the church so the believers do need to be taught and we know God does not make a mistake. The following are 3 verses about heresy and heretics:
"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousies, wraths, factions, divisions, heresies," (Gal 5:19-20, ERV)
"A man that is heretical after a first and second admonition refuse; knowing that such a one is perverted, and sinneth, being self-condemned." (Titus 3:10-11, ERV)
"But there arose false prophets also among the people, as among you also there shall be false teachers, who shall privily bring in destructive heresies, denying even the Master that bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction." (2Pet 2:1, ERV)
From the Theological Dictionary of the New Testament -
"Yet there is from the outset a suspicion of the haíresis within Christianity itself, not through the development of orthodoxy, but through the basic incompatibility of ekklēsía[church] and haíresis[heresy] (cf. Gal. 5:20; 1 Cor. 11:18-19). In 1 Cor. 1: 10ff. haíresis has a sifting purpose. In 2 Pet. 2:1 it affects the church’s very basis; a haíresis creates a new society alongside the ekklēsía and thus makes the ekklēsía itself a haíresis and not the comprehensive people of God. This is unacceptable."
"An heretic, according to the notation of the word, is either one that makes choice of an opinion upon his own judgment, contrary to the generally received sense of the churches of Christ, and prefers it to theirs, and obstinately persists in it" John Gill comment on Titus 3:10
There is a key to recognizing heretics in the following passage:
"knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation. For no prophecy ever came by the will of man: but men spake from God, being moved by the Holy Ghost." (2Pet 1:20-21, ERV) Or, " a matter of one’s own interpretation", RSV
The "private interpretation" is contrasted to what? What is indwelt by the Holy Spirit as well as the individual regenerate child of God? The body of Christ, the church itself. It is not one single denomination as the Roman Catholics like to claim for themselves as the sole interpreter, but the church universal. In our day we are blessed to read how the body of Christ has interpreted various passages, because we can access over 100 commentaries from over the past 500 years from various historic denominations and see where the body of Christ in various denominations have had general agreement on various passages and points of doctrine. These are available online: https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng.html
An early tip off comes when you hear it proudly stated, "No Creed but the Bible" and this is usually accompanied with quoting the Apostle John out of context in the following:
"And as for you, the anointing which ye received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any one teach you; but as his anointing teacheth you concerning all things, and is true, and is no lie, and even as it taught you, ye abide in him." (1John 2:27, ERV)
It is obvious, John is teaching them in that very statement, and God gave teachers to the church so the believers do need to be taught and we know God does not make a mistake. The following are 3 verses about heresy and heretics:
"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousies, wraths, factions, divisions, heresies," (Gal 5:19-20, ERV)
"A man that is heretical after a first and second admonition refuse; knowing that such a one is perverted, and sinneth, being self-condemned." (Titus 3:10-11, ERV)
"But there arose false prophets also among the people, as among you also there shall be false teachers, who shall privily bring in destructive heresies, denying even the Master that bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction." (2Pet 2:1, ERV)
From the Theological Dictionary of the New Testament -
"Yet there is from the outset a suspicion of the haíresis within Christianity itself, not through the development of orthodoxy, but through the basic incompatibility of ekklēsía[church] and haíresis[heresy] (cf. Gal. 5:20; 1 Cor. 11:18-19). In 1 Cor. 1: 10ff. haíresis has a sifting purpose. In 2 Pet. 2:1 it affects the church’s very basis; a haíresis creates a new society alongside the ekklēsía and thus makes the ekklēsía itself a haíresis and not the comprehensive people of God. This is unacceptable."
"An heretic, according to the notation of the word, is either one that makes choice of an opinion upon his own judgment, contrary to the generally received sense of the churches of Christ, and prefers it to theirs, and obstinately persists in it" John Gill comment on Titus 3:10
There is a key to recognizing heretics in the following passage:
"knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation. For no prophecy ever came by the will of man: but men spake from God, being moved by the Holy Ghost." (2Pet 1:20-21, ERV) Or, " a matter of one’s own interpretation", RSV
The "private interpretation" is contrasted to what? What is indwelt by the Holy Spirit as well as the individual regenerate child of God? The body of Christ, the church itself. It is not one single denomination as the Roman Catholics like to claim for themselves as the sole interpreter, but the church universal. In our day we are blessed to read how the body of Christ has interpreted various passages, because we can access over 100 commentaries from over the past 500 years from various historic denominations and see where the body of Christ in various denominations have had general agreement on various passages and points of doctrine. These are available online: https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng.html
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Racism is good, God could have made everybody green, instead he made different races whites, blacks, yellows etc each with their own culture, language etc... and even between those races like the white race there are clear differences, for example a spaniard is completely different from an english.
Only globalists, degenerates, marxists and communists want to destroy that variety by removing all borders and mixing everybody.
Only satan wants equality... "WE ARE ALL THE SAME" and no we are not.
Only globalists, degenerates, marxists and communists want to destroy that variety by removing all borders and mixing everybody.
Only satan wants equality... "WE ARE ALL THE SAME" and no we are not.
In talking of the interpretation of Scripture, how do the following stack up as being the truth?
"for by grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" (Eph 2:8, ERV)
Comment: "Faith is the beginning, foundation, and the root of justification"
"Yea, a man will say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith apart from thy works, and I by my works will shew thee my faith." (Jas 2:18, ERV)
Comment: "one can shew that he has faith, which is an interior virtue, only by good works, and that good works in a man shew also his faith; which is not to be understood, as if good works were merely the marks, signs, and effects of faith, as some would pretend, but that good works must concur with faith to a man's salvation by an increase in grace"
"And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed." (Acts 13:48, ERV)
Comment: "Though it is certain, that this decree of the Almighty is infallible, and must have its effect, yet it is far removed from the blasphemy of Calvinists, who pretend that it destroys free-will, and therefore removes all motives of exertion to good works."
"For that which I do I know not: for not what I would, that do I practise; but what I hate, that I do."
(Rom 7:15, ERV)
Comment: "The apostle here describes the disorderly motions of passion and concupiscence; which oftentimes in us get the start of reason, and by means of which even good men suffer in the inferior appetite what their will abhors: and are much hindered in the accomplishment of the desires of their spirit and mind. But these evil motions, (though they are called the law of sin, because they come from original sin, and violently tempt and incline to sin) as long as the will does not consent to them, are not sins, because they are not voluntary."
"in meekness correcting them that oppose themselves; if peradventure God may give them repentance unto the knowledge of the truth" (2Tim 2:25, ERV)
Comment: "Conversion from sin and heresy is the gift of God, yet we see good exhortations and prayers are available thereto; which would not be the case if we had not free-will."
"for by grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" (Eph 2:8, ERV)
Comment: "Faith is the beginning, foundation, and the root of justification"
"Yea, a man will say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith apart from thy works, and I by my works will shew thee my faith." (Jas 2:18, ERV)
Comment: "one can shew that he has faith, which is an interior virtue, only by good works, and that good works in a man shew also his faith; which is not to be understood, as if good works were merely the marks, signs, and effects of faith, as some would pretend, but that good works must concur with faith to a man's salvation by an increase in grace"
"And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed." (Acts 13:48, ERV)
Comment: "Though it is certain, that this decree of the Almighty is infallible, and must have its effect, yet it is far removed from the blasphemy of Calvinists, who pretend that it destroys free-will, and therefore removes all motives of exertion to good works."
"For that which I do I know not: for not what I would, that do I practise; but what I hate, that I do."
(Rom 7:15, ERV)
Comment: "The apostle here describes the disorderly motions of passion and concupiscence; which oftentimes in us get the start of reason, and by means of which even good men suffer in the inferior appetite what their will abhors: and are much hindered in the accomplishment of the desires of their spirit and mind. But these evil motions, (though they are called the law of sin, because they come from original sin, and violently tempt and incline to sin) as long as the will does not consent to them, are not sins, because they are not voluntary."
"in meekness correcting them that oppose themselves; if peradventure God may give them repentance unto the knowledge of the truth" (2Tim 2:25, ERV)
Comment: "Conversion from sin and heresy is the gift of God, yet we see good exhortations and prayers are available thereto; which would not be the case if we had not free-will."
You forgot Galatians 5:6.
However, it is written,
Gal 5:1, Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2, Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3, For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4, Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
So, 1 Corinthians 7:18-19, Galatians 5:6, and Galatians 6:15, are speaking of the fact that if someone is born a Jew and was circumcised the eighth day (as a child), that they are not excluded from the salvation that is offered in Christ.
But the passage above is speaking of the fact that if someone who is a Gentile seeks to be justified through circumcision, that he or she is now trusting in something other than the Cross and shed blood of Jesus Christ for salvation. And because of this, they have fallen from grace.
I would ask if there is any other reason why a a grown Gentile might be circumcised other than that he thinks he will be justified through his new association with Judaism?
If there were some other reason for being circumcised, that does not have to do with seeking to be justified by the law, then a grown Gentile may indeed be circumcised and it would not affect him spiritually.
However, Galatians 5:1-4 is clear: that if a grown Gentile gets circumcised in order to be justified through association with Judaism and the laws of Judaism, that he is fallen from grace and Christ has become of no effect to him.
And I believe that the reason for this is that he has now sought to be justified through an alternate means than what is prescribed in holy scripture as the only means of salvation (John 14:6, Matthew 7:13-14).
However, it is written,
Gal 5:1, Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2, Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3, For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4, Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
So, 1 Corinthians 7:18-19, Galatians 5:6, and Galatians 6:15, are speaking of the fact that if someone is born a Jew and was circumcised the eighth day (as a child), that they are not excluded from the salvation that is offered in Christ.
But the passage above is speaking of the fact that if someone who is a Gentile seeks to be justified through circumcision, that he or she is now trusting in something other than the Cross and shed blood of Jesus Christ for salvation. And because of this, they have fallen from grace.
I would ask if there is any other reason why a a grown Gentile might be circumcised other than that he thinks he will be justified through his new association with Judaism?
If there were some other reason for being circumcised, that does not have to do with seeking to be justified by the law, then a grown Gentile may indeed be circumcised and it would not affect him spiritually.
However, Galatians 5:1-4 is clear: that if a grown Gentile gets circumcised in order to be justified through association with Judaism and the laws of Judaism, that he is fallen from grace and Christ has become of no effect to him.
And I believe that the reason for this is that he has now sought to be justified through an alternate means than what is prescribed in holy scripture as the only means of salvation (John 14:6, Matthew 7:13-14).
So, 1 John 2:27 is to be discounted as being unscriptural?
I believe that John wrote that verse in the first place because gnostic teachers had come in claiming authority that they had special knowledge and that you had to listen to them in order to get the real scoop on how to be saved.
John is clear that the anointing, or the Holy Ghost, dwells within the believer and that we need to trust in the anointing rather than in what teachers might teach us; since teachers teaching us might be false.
Teachers in the body of Christ (who are true) can indeed provide added insight into the teachings of holy scripture; and if there is someone who does not have the Holy Ghost in the congregation, the teaching by them of sound doctrine may even bring them to faith in Christ.
But John is most certainly telling us that if someone is coming in and claiming divine authority so that they alone have the scoop on what scripture REALLY MEANS, that if you have the Holy Ghost, the anointing, you are to listen to the anointing rather than to those teachers; because again, those teachers might be false.
I believe that John wrote that verse in the first place because gnostic teachers had come in claiming authority that they had special knowledge and that you had to listen to them in order to get the real scoop on how to be saved.
John is clear that the anointing, or the Holy Ghost, dwells within the believer and that we need to trust in the anointing rather than in what teachers might teach us; since teachers teaching us might be false.
Teachers in the body of Christ (who are true) can indeed provide added insight into the teachings of holy scripture; and if there is someone who does not have the Holy Ghost in the congregation, the teaching by them of sound doctrine may even bring them to faith in Christ.
But John is most certainly telling us that if someone is coming in and claiming divine authority so that they alone have the scoop on what scripture REALLY MEANS, that if you have the Holy Ghost, the anointing, you are to listen to the anointing rather than to those teachers; because again, those teachers might be false.
And of course, Holy Transformation cannot take place unless Circumcision of the Heart has taken place. Pastors? Why aren't you teaching this? You, pastors, act like you aren't aware of Colossians 2:9-15 . . . why is that? Why doesn't your "flock" ever talk about circumcision . . . or their Holy Transformation? There is nothing, NOTHING more exciting in a True Christian's life than to be Transformed; to have received the Circumcision of Christ.
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Well to be truthful both saint. To tell the truth there are a lot of people out there that are convinced that the "bible" is true but lay it along side of Nostradamus, or any of the flavors of the day prophectic books.
I think this is caused by 2 reasons.
1. Churches try to conform people into the image they think God would accept. Dress clothes, non smokers, no rock music, stay at homes mom's. Ect
Just by trying some conformity brings about # 2 hindering the work of the Holy Spirit and the transformation that will and must take place.
End results are a bible believing but unregenerated soul belonging to a church rather than Christ seeking entertainment with a positive message.
I think this is caused by 2 reasons.
1. Churches try to conform people into the image they think God would accept. Dress clothes, non smokers, no rock music, stay at homes mom's. Ect
Just by trying some conformity brings about # 2 hindering the work of the Holy Spirit and the transformation that will and must take place.
End results are a bible believing but unregenerated soul belonging to a church rather than Christ seeking entertainment with a positive message.
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