If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

Revelation 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.


The Kingdom i was Reborn into doesn’t have a sea. the sea is always people in the beast system …society. Why would GOD make a physical new Earth without a sea when He is known for being The Water of LIFE?

Are you God's elect or nonelect?

Pilgrimshope has always given me answers that no one else was capable of doing. He knows The Bible backwards and forwards.

i still can't get over his response that included one the biggest issues in Eschatology ...what does it mean for satan to be bound right now.

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...-christ-a-king-of.202553/page-32#post-4713964

The Risen JESUS is KING of Everything and Everyone.

JESUS already put everything under His feet!

Ephesians 1:20-23
Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Which is his body, the fullness of him that filleth all in all.

This is curious:

Dan 12:7
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

I’m a believer in Jesus Christ who is the elect of God , which makes his body the church his elect so anyone who’s believed the gospel and been baptized into his name is the elect of God .

But let me sort of make the point being called the elect doesn’t mean we aren’t subject to Christs word we the elect all have a date to do this when we die

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m pretty aware of that truth so I do what I can to live
my life being perfectly aware of that if I were to “ elect” myself apart from what Jesus plainly said is the way I would just be a fool trying to avoid the truth

Israel of old was elected also how did it work out for them since they constantly rebelled against Gods word ?

Did Daniel 12 already happen?

Dan 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Dan 12:7
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Colossians 2:15
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

my opinion is Daniel 12 correlates with the destruction of Jerusalem and following chaos so I would correlate it here

“For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:21‬ ‭

Dan 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.”

I think the reference to the book would be regarding this for the ot folks before Christ

“Then they that feared the Lord spake often one to another: and the Lord hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the Lord, and that thought upon his name.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I think Daniel is talking about these ot saints who had believed beforehand but died before Christ was born being delivered

“And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:52-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I think Daniel is partly discussing the end of the old covenant as Jesus was coming to fulfil it but also he witnessed of Christs kingdom to come In heaven in chapter 7

but that’s just my thoughts Christs book of life was always being written

Mar 1:15
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.


Dan 12:7
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Dan 12:7
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.


Revelation 10:5-7
And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

awesome quote what do you see here regarding your quote

“And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭10:5-7‬ ‭

The message of the prophets was this

“And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:44-47‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and thier mystery is this

“How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭3:3-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thier subject matter was always the gospel so do you see how daniels vision times time and a half has now passed ? It shows the progression of the prophetic timeline Daniel wrote his book 700 years at least before revelation.

Daniel sees four beasts with the same exact description as johns one beast but we find out that time has passed by the time johns vision came because five kingdoms had already fallen whereas in daniels time the first was rising up ( Babylon under nebucadnezzar)

but John is in romes time so he sees the beast past five heads , current head , and future head but five have risen and fallen already and John is near the end of it

“And there are seven kings: five are fallen, ( past) and one is,( present ) and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.” ( future )
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

so while Daniel is looking at a distant future and seeing Jesus being enthroned in chapter 7 , John came along at the end of these same things when Christ has been enthroned as Daniel had saw beforehand from a distance so distant view from earth looking far away towards Christ

“A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and then John standing close in heaven seeing details of what the angels were saying and what happened when he was brought near

“And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭5:5-7, 9, 11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬


So Daniel is showing long ago that Christ was going to come to Gods throne among the angels and receive a kingdom and John is watching it come to pass it shows the correlation of prophecy to revelation and the passage of prophetic timeline in prophecy

it’s really cool you can track the gospe back Tom Thy e beginning watching prophecy grow and move forward and be fulfilled along the way it’s a faith builder for sure knowing the certainty of his word

haha I was just referencing the same quote from revelation

If Revelation is showing us JESUS coming to Power in The Throne Room, then the Seven Seals have already started to be loosed ...if not all.

There is something weird with the order of the beasts when comparing Daniel to Revelation.

Reversed because John is looking back ..already happened? leopard, bear, and then lion in Rev

Rev 13:2
And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Dan 7:3-8
https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/dan/7/3-8/s_857003

Where is there room for a thousand years if JESUS separates the sheep from the goats?

Let both grow together until the harvest... Matthew 13:30

i really liked this, thanks for posting it.

amen brother I agree as soon as Christ was raised up to heaven he began opening the seals

You see we’re seeing into Christs heavenly kingdom here we’re seeing a close up of what happened after Jesus lives preached the gospel as was his mission and then lays his life down and is raised up from death and the. We see him going into heaven on a cloud but our sight leaves off

so as Christ disappears in the clouds from earth

“I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Yeah I’m. It sure of the order means anything it could I’m not sure but what I gave her is often John makes a point to point the reader To other prophecy making direct references to it like there where he describes the same beast with the same appearance

and in several Other places like this

“These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

John actually doesn’t see any olive trees but makes the reference to zechariahs vision of the two olive trees , so John is referring to what zechariah had seen of the e two witnesses like we’re talking about either Daniel

“And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:

And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.

….And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my Lord. Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭4:2-3, 12-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

John doesn’t actually see that part he just references it because he realized the two witnesses were the two olive trees zechariah had saw

This happens repetitively in revelation not just Daniel and zechariah but several prophecies are referenced in revelation. Almost like God has designed the revelation to be understood through those other prophecies until we form a full view of prophecy and then begin to understand revelations difficult imagery

It happens too often on the book to think it’s not the design

almost every chapter after 3 can be correlated and understood directly to and through many prophecies of the ot

revelation has probably the most different interpretstions of any book on the Bible but the prophets and law offer an interpretation of revelation on tbier own which is what I’m finding is true of the whole New Testament the prophets and law have spoken understanding of the gospel long before he came

that’s at least what I’m finding to be true revelation is a marvelous work and I’m convinced other than Hebrews , it holds the most information about the unseen things of heaven. But I think it’s because it’s a complete view of prophecy an ordered count of all the prophets foretold

'Jews' is a term denoting believers generally: "But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God "

We are to keep God's commandments...His law.

.....till all be full filled.....meaning until God's plan for man, the church age, day of grace is full filled. That end is indicated by scripture as...the great white throne judgement.
After that eternity.

That is the basis of grace....established by Christ.
Generally...in scripture references....the cross...means just as you referred.......Christ who lived and died on the cross and rose again can save anyone who have kept God's commandments.