THE WOMEN OF THE CHURCH

another non sequitur

you are good at those

the female

better than the male's lot I suspect

Luke 24

Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Let me ask a question, if these verses brought a crowd of people both men and women to faith by simply hearing the Words of God.

How would you feel if a women spoke the words?

The topic is the alleged justification of muzzling the female... isn't it?

Again, women can and should preach the gospel, even to men. The question is whether they should be teaching the word of God to men in the local assembly.

Well only when in front of men. I was in a elevator this pass summer with a elderly couple. They looked so sweet until the man opened his mouth. The women was so sweet, soft spoken and caring to the man but as soon as she had a thought against his, he publicly starting to so3ak loudly and basically made her out to be as she didn't know what she was talking about. It was sad but I got this feeling she was taught to to live that way under a man and she humbly just submitted. It was all she knew.

The purpose of this Article is to discuss the situation that millions of women in the Church find themselves. There are numerous Chruch Groups/Denominations that teach the writings of the Apostle Paul concerning women. For the purpose of this Article, I am taking the position that their teachings are true and Biblical (my personal thoughts not withstanding).

Can you define teaching and can you define assembly? Scripture says where 2 or 3 are gathered. Assembly in Acts was often someone's home or even a water well.

Preaching the gospel is teaching the gospel.

Where 2 or 3 are gathered what? That's not defining the local church. Paul wrote to the churches, the local body of Christ in particular regions. Yes, someone's home can be a local assembly if believers meet there to be taught the word of God.

I'm not sure where the argument against what scripture clearly teaches about the role of men and women? Why such a push back? No one is trying to degrade, persecute, or hold back women. That's such a ridiculous mind set of the feminist movement.

THE WOMEN OF THE CHURCH

For several weeks now, I have been thinking of the situation of the women in the Church. It has been heavy on my heart, and I have given much thought as to how best present it here on Christian Chat.

I am not arguing any particular Church Group/Denominational Teaching as being right or wrong. That is not the purpose of this Article.

The purpose of this Article is to discuss the situation that millions of women in the Church find themselves. There are numerous Chruch Groups/Denominations that teach the writings of the Apostle Paul concerning women. For the purpose of this Article, I am taking the position that their teachings are true and Biblical (my personal thoughts not withstanding).

The most taught writing of the Apostle Paul is found in 1 Timothy, Chapter 2:
12) But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

The Churches do not allow women to be Pastors, or hold Offices that give them authority over the men of the Congregation based on this writing. And, as far as I know, the millions of women who attend the Churches that teach this, are not rising up in protest. I can not say how they feel in their hearts, or what they think in their minds, but I am not aware of any great movement by the women to protest this teaching of their Church.

The Church Leaders hold that the Apostle Paul was speaking for God, and, thus, this teaching is a Commandment from God. And as such, must be obeyed. I fully agree that the Commandments from God must be obeyed, for Jesus Himself taught this on numerous occasions. One such is found in the 14th Chapter of John: 15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.


The problem is, this is not the only teaching concerning women that the Apostle Paul wrote. 1 Timothy contains other teachings:

9) In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10) But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11) Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
The Apostle Paul also stated how a woman would receive salvation:
15) Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

There are othere Epistles where the Apostle spoke of women. The most notable being 1 Corinthians, Chapter 14:
34) Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35) And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

As well, in Titus, Chapter 2 we find:
3) The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

4) That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

5) To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

These are the most know teachings concerning women from the Apostle Paul. Given that it is accepted that the Apostle Paul spoke for God in all he wrote, then all of these teachings must be considered Commandments from God.

And THIS is the situation that millions of women find themselves in!

To be clear, we can show the actual results of the Apostle Paul's teachings:

Women are to keep silence in Church. This means that women are NOT to speak/pray or sing out loud while in the Church Building.

Women are ONLY authorized to teach the young women/girls. However, this teaching can not occur within the Church Building, meaning in a Sunday School Room/Class. For women are forbidden to speak within the Church Building. So, I can only believe that they are to teach the young women at home.

Women are NOT allowed to attend Sunday School Classes, nor are they allowed to own or even read the Holy Bible. The Apostle Paul said "if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home." I can only believe that IF women have a question concerning the Gospel, they are to ask their husbands "at home," and it is the husbands duty to teach his wife the Gospel. In this way, what the women learn from their husbands, they can teach to the young women/girls.

Women are NOT to cut or color or style their hair. Nor are they to wear jewelry or make up. They are to dress in "modest" clothing. The Apostle said:
"9) In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;"

Now, the situation women are faced with is that these writings of the Apostle Paul must be considered Commandments from God, since their Church Leaders have established that all that the Apostle Paul spoke/wrote WERE Commandments from God.

Given this, and given that Jesus Himself commanded that we obey Him, the millions of women who are not obedient to ALL of the Apostles writings find themselves living "daily" in disobedience to the Commandments of God!

I do not know if these women even consider this reality, or, if they do, how they justify not obeying ALL the writings of the Apostle Paul?

I have GRAVE FEAR for these women. My heart hurts for them, and I pray for them. I also do not believe their Church Leaders even recognize the situation THEY have placed their women in! How do the Church Leaders justify enforcing only one of the Apostles writings while ignoring all the rest? Do they realize that they are committing their women to live lives in disobedience to God?

I pray that somehow, some way, the Church Leaders that teach concerning women, and the women themselves begin to find a way to rectify this habitual life of disobedience. I have GRAVE FEAR for these women!

Even though the Apostle said they would be "saved in childbearing," he also stated:
15) Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
To receive their salvation in "childbearing," them MUST live in obedience to Gods Commandments!

I pray that the Church Leaders will sincerely pray and seek to address this dire situation!

Praying for the women of the Church..........

I happen to be among the minority shich believe the reference often used is, in reality, addressing public ridicule of the husband by the wife... and see it as having been, wrongly, utilized as a, idk what's the word, commission even? to do so at every chance to the female and any female, regardless of her marital relationship to any certain male. That a husband would think it is perfectly acceptable to correct his wife in public while it is shameful that she should do so would fall into my definition of unevenly yoked.

Where 2 or 3 are gathered what? That's not defining the local church. Paul wrote to the churches, the local body of Christ in particular regions. Yes, someone's home can be a local assembly if believers meet there to be taught the word of God.

I'm not sure where the argument against what scripture clearly teaches about the role of men and women? Why such a push back? No one is trying to degrade, persecute, or hold back women. That's such a ridiculous mind set of the feminist movement.

I find it interesting that God the Holy Spirit seems not to agree with Paul, but anointed women such as kathryn Kuhlman, and Aimee Semple McPherson (to name two out of many). Not only did the Holy Spirit anoint them for ministry but backed their ministry with signs, wonders and miracles.

Did the Holy Spirit not realize or understand what Paul wrote? (I am being facetious.)

I was a bit busy. As well, I was not then, nor am I now "mad" about any comments here. No reason to be. More concerned, actually. As for your comment, I simply believed you would have read the first three paragraphs of the OP, and understood that I was not expressing my beliefs. I was giving you credit that possibly I should not have.

Could not stay in "third person" and maintain the reasoning for the OP.

Doesn't matter though.............

I find it interesting that God the Holy Spirit seems not to agree with Paul, but anointed women such as kathryn Kuhlman, and Aimee Semple McPherson (to name two out of many). Not only did the Holy Spirit anoint them for ministry but backed their ministry with signs, wonders and miracles.

Did the Holy Spirit not realize or understand what Paul wrote? (I am being facetious.)

Gathered in His Name does not necessarily mean teaching is taking place. Where or how did you come up with that idea?

1. No one trying to degrade as long as women do not teach men the Word of God?
2. Or can they teach a man on the side behind the scenes but when in an assembly of men she has now crossed the line?
3. Or it is only if we put a title on assembly and call it church then teaching men is wrong?

1. No one trying to degrade as long as women do not teach men the Word of God?
2. Or can they teach a man on the side behind the scenes but when in an assembly of men she has now crossed the line?
3. Or it is only if we put a title on assembly and call it church then teaching men is wrong?

1. No one is degrading women period.
2. Her husband should be present doing the correcting as in Aquila and Priscilla.
3. God's word gave titles. Bishops and deacons are men in God's Holy word.

1. No one is degrading women period.
2. Her husband should be present doing the correcting as in Aquila and Priscilla.
3. God's word gave titles. Bishops and deacons are men in God's Holy word.