The First Murder was a Religious Murder...

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..and the pattern continued in perpetuity.

God's own people stoned the prophets and messengers. The rulers of the world tried to crush Jesus the boy. The religious system of His day tried to kill Jesus the man. After His ascension, persecution of the His disciples continued at the hands of the religious system with the support of the world's government.

For those who are the sons of God, the believers who know the Living God as their Father, what religious system with the support of the government will come after them in our day? Is it already happening?
 
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Aaron56 said:
..and the pattern continued in perpetuity.

God's own people stoned the prophets and messengers. The rulers of the world tried to crush Jesus the boy. The religious system of His day tried to kill Jesus the man. After His ascension, persecution of the His disciples continued at the hands of the religious system with the support of the world's government.

For those who are the sons of God, the believers who know the Living God as their Father, what religious system with the support of the government will come after them in our day? Is it already happening?
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The first murder was indeed a religious one and it took place in the Garden.

Two humans created in the Image of God died that day, when they believed the religion of Theology.

God spoke directly to Adam & Eve - "And the LORD God commanded him, “You may eat freely from every tree of the garden, but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die." Genesis 2:16

No need to question God for HE walked with them in the Garden = All is GOOD.

Until the day that Sin entered in the Garden. - Ezekiel 28:13

Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Then came Theology: Genesis 3:1-5
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.
And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

The FIRST place/time the ? shows up in Scripture is that which came out of the mouth of the Serpent.
This Question MARK (HELLO) is directed and attached to to God's Word - with a ? and a Twist = Redirection away from the Command.

If you look up a picture of Budha/serpent it will show a Serpent(s) coming up from behind him and rising and hovering above him.
This is the Source of Knowledge to Budha and to the World under Sin.

Adam and Eve were murdered that day because they believed a lie that directly was the cause of their death.

We will see that the next religious murder comes from a brother against a Brother = Works murders Grace = Cain kills Abel.

IMPORTANT: If you think this is Off Base then you need to Read this: Revelation 2:13

“And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write,b‘These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword:
“I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is.

Pergamos, the Elite University City of Knowledge of that day and time.

Would you not say that, once again, Satan's makes his home and throne amongst the Universities of today.
 
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Aaron56 said:
..and the pattern continued in perpetuity.

God's own people stoned the prophets and messengers. The rulers of the world tried to crush Jesus the boy. The religious system of His day tried to kill Jesus the man. After His ascension, persecution of the His disciples continued at the hands of the religious system with the support of the world's government.

For those who are the sons of God, the believers who know the Living God as their Father, what religious system with the support of the government will come after them in our day? Is it already happening?
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the world seems to have a religion that exalts man above everything and pretends God doesn’t exist.

remember when they ate the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil and became as gods knowing good and evil ? It made them think they were the ones determining what’s good and evil. It made them think they were thier own god

soon after they tried making a temple that teaches to heaven so they could sit as god . And then The lord confused thier speech and scattered them abroad

since then we’ve struggled with all evil
Under the sun and discerning good and evil in truth
 
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Aaron56 said:
..and the pattern continued in perpetuity.

God's own people stoned the prophets and messengers. The rulers of the world tried to crush Jesus the boy. The religious system of His day tried to kill Jesus the man. After His ascension, persecution of the His disciples continued at the hands of the religious system with the support of the world's government.

For those who are the sons of God, the believers who know the Living God as their Father, what religious system with the support of the government will come after them in our day? Is it already happening?
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We must not forget that when God saw that Adam and Eve brought on death, God gave blood on the altar and through blood was the salvation of their souls. Lev. 17:11.

God shed the blood of an animal and covered the nakedness of Adam and Eve with their skins. It is a prophecy of Christ and shows what Christ does for us.
 
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DavidTree said:
“And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write,b‘These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword:
“I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is.
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Pergamos is an interesting city. In Pergamos, the arts (Dionysus temple), education (Library of Pergamon), religion (Pergamon Alter: perhaps the object referred to as "Satan's seat"), commerce (regional trade hub), politics and religion (the city was a Roman necorate with temples dedicated to the Roman Emperor) all fit together into a religious and political culture. They people were compelled by their gods toward fealty and service to the state.
 
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Blik said:
We must not forget that when God saw that Adam and Eve brought on death, God gave blood on the altar and through blood was the salvation of their souls. Lev. 17:11.

God shed the blood of an animal and covered the nakedness of Adam and Eve with their skins. It is a prophecy of Christ and shows what Christ does for us.
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AMEN Friend, and who preached/prophesied the Gospel First? = GOD

The LORD prophesied to serpent/satan, there in the Garden immediately after sin - Genesis 3:14

So the Lord God said to the serpent:
“Because you have done this,
You are cursed more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly you shall go,
And you shall eat dust
All the days of your life.
And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”
 
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DavidTree said:
AMEN Friend, and who preached/prophesied the Gospel First? = GOD

The LORD prophesied to serpent/satan, there in the Garden immediately after sin - Genesis 3:14

So the Lord God said to the serpent:
“Because you have done this,
You are cursed more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly you shall go,
And you shall eat dust
All the days of your life.
And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”
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Amen Death had just come from transgression before that prophecy

“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus would suffer the sting of death but he would crush the enemies power over mankind to hold us in and under a death sentence
 
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Pilgrimshope said:
Amen Death had just come from transgression before that prophecy

“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus would suffer the sting of death but he would crush the enemies power over mankind to hold us in and under a death sentence
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God the LORD declares that the serpent/satan will never be able to strike/dethrone the Head = which is Messiah
Only his heel, which indicates where the "bruise" will take place = on earth upon a Man = "the earth, for it is His footstool."

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
And He is the Head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
Colossians 1:15-18
 
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Blik said:
We must not forget that when God saw that Adam and Eve brought on death, God
gave blood on the altar and through blood was the salvation of their souls. Lev. 17:11.

God shed the blood of an animal and covered the nakedness of Adam and Eve
with their skins. It is a prophecy of Christ and shows what Christ does for us.
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Sin and death entered the world through one man.
 
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The first Murder was one of sin. God told Cain In

Genesis 4:6-7

6 So the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? 7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.”

the NLT says: but you must Master it.”


Sin is crouching at the door, eager to control you. But you must subdue it and be its master.”

SIN did it and hate which is murder. Jesus said that the devil Satan in John 8:44

You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
 
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DavidTree said:
The first murder was indeed a religious one and it took place in the Garden.

Two humans created in the Image of God died that day, when they believed the religion of Theology.

God spoke directly to Adam & Eve - "And the LORD God commanded him, “You may eat freely from every tree of the garden, but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die." Genesis 2:16

No need to question God for HE walked with them in the Garden = All is GOOD.

Until the day that Sin entered in the Garden. - Ezekiel 28:13

Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Then came Theology: Genesis 3:1-5
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.
And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

The FIRST place/time the ? shows up in Scripture is that which came out of the mouth of the Serpent.
This Question MARK (HELLO) is directed and attached to to God's Word - with a ? and a Twist = Redirection away from the Command.

If you look up a picture of Budha/serpent it will show a Serpent(s) coming up from behind him and rising and hovering above him.
This is the Source of Knowledge to Budha and to the World under Sin.

Adam and Eve were murdered that day because they believed a lie that directly was the cause of their death.

We will see that the next religious murder comes from a brother against a Brother = Works murders Grace = Cain kills Abel.

IMPORTANT: If you think this is Off Base then you need to Read this: Revelation 2:13

“And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write,b‘These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword:
“I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is.

Pergamos, the Elite University City of Knowledge of that day and time.

Would you not say that, once again, Satan's makes his home and throne amongst the Universities of today.
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they were kicked out of the Garden when Cain Killed Able :)
 
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CS1 said:
they were kicked out of the Garden when Cain Killed Able :)
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Cain and Abel were not in the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve were
expelled from the GoE before their first two sons were born.
 
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they were kicked out of the Garden when Cain Killed Able :)
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"We will see that the next religious murder comes from a brother against a Brother = Works murders Grace = Cain kills Abel."

Hi Brother, notice, i did not say Cain and Able were in the Garden. - only the first murder was in the Garden

You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do.
He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

PEACE
 
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DavidTree said:
"We will see that the next religious murder comes from a brother against a Brother = Works murders Grace = Cain kills Abel."

Hi Brother, notice, i did not say Cain and Able were in the Garden. - only the first murder was in the Garden

You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do.
He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

PEACE
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you stated that "the first murder was a religious one that took place in the Garden"? The only death that took place in the Garden was was two types 1. The sin from trangression of what God said not to do. 2. The skins God took from an animal to cover Adam & Eve.

Physical death, spiritual death, and the taking of an innocent animal to cover sin. Which one of the two was because of religion?
 
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CS1 said:
you stated that "the first murder was a religious one that took place in the Garden"? The only death that took place in the Garden was was two types 1. The sin from trangression of what God said not to do. 2. The skins God took from an animal to cover Adam & Eve.

Physical death, spiritual death, and the taking of an innocent animal to cover sin. Which one of the two was because of religion?
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Brother, never question what God says is TRUTH, that is what satan did.

"Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat,
for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

The First Question recorded in Scripture came out of the mouth of satan.

Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?”

You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do.
He was a murderer from the beginning,
and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

The LORD is not referring to Cain and Able here - but to the very beginning in the Garden.

PEACE
 
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Pilgrimshope said:
Amen Death had just come from transgression before that prophecy

“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus would suffer the sting of death but he would crush the enemies power over mankind to hold us in and under a death sentence
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And that Death was Murder - Did you know that you can murder someone just by telling them an intentional lie that caused their death.

Jesus said to them, You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do.
He was a murderer from the beginning,
and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
John 8:44-45
 
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Brother, never question what God says is TRUTH, that is what satan did.

"Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat,
for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

The First Question recorded in Scripture came out of the mouth of satan.

Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?”

You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do.
He was a murderer from the beginning
and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

The LORD is not referring to Cain and Able here - but to the very beginning in the Garden.

PEACE
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Please don't suggest I am questioning God or suggest I am the devil ok. Answer my question?


I think you should read the book of beginnings. You said :


  • The First Question recorded in Scripture came out of the mouth of satan.
The first question is not the first murder as you stated happen in the garden and you did not answer my question on that
  • The LORD is not referring to Cain and Able here - but to the very beginning in the Garden.
I never said The Lord was referring to Cain and Able, What I am saying is the Biblical narrative teaches SIN caused murder, not religion.
 
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DavidTree said:
Brother, never question what God says is TRUTH, that is what satan did.

"Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat,
for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

The First Question recorded in Scripture came out of the mouth of satan.

Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?”

You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do.
He was a murderer from the beginning,
and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

The LORD is not referring to Cain and Able here - but to the very beginning in the Garden.

PEACE
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stay with what is written not allegorizing the word of God and then trying to suggest others are the devil.
 
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CS1 said:
Please don't suggest I am questioning God or suggest I am the devil ok. Answer my question?


I think you should read the book of beginnings. You said :


  • The First Question recorded in Scripture came out of the mouth of satan.
The first question is not the first murder as you stated happen in the garden and you did not answer my question on that
  • The LORD is not referring to Cain and Able here - but to the very beginning in the Garden.
I never said The Lord was referring to Cain and Able, What I am saying is the Biblical narrative teaches SIN caused murder, not religion.
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TESTY Today - no one called you the devil - RELAX Brother

Follow the Word of TRUTH which you are resisting = the Word.

FACT - the LORD is absolutely refering to the first murder that took place in the Garden = from the beginning.

Don't you know that you can murder a person just by telling them an intentional lie, whereby the liar has full knowledge that what he is saying will directly and immediately cause the death of the recipient of that lie.

Let's start again with what God said:
Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat;
but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat,
for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”
 
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TESTY Today - no one called you the devil - RELAX Brother

Follow the Word of TRUTH which you are resisting = the Word.

FACT - the LORD is absolutely refering to the first murder that took place in the Garden = from the beginning.

Don't you know that you can murder a person just by telling them an intentional lie, whereby the liar has full knowledge that what he is saying will directly and immediately cause the death of the recipient of that lie.

Let's start again with what God said:
Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat;
but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat,
for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”
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IF I suggested you are the devil you would be crying to Admin. So Please don't suggest I have a devil as you did. and we will be fine. IF not I will call you on it. If you don't think you did well I can show you where you did. Those do that only try so to stop those who have not agreed with them and make themselves look more authoritative by attacking others and suggesting they have the devil.

I made two-point you failed to answer then you went on a rabbit trail.
 
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