How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

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oyster67

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If you're going to read behind them, better get an English dictionary and a Greek translation.

That's if you're as dumb as me. They can get into some mindboggling stuff.
Thats why you need to get in front of them. :confused:
 

Charlie24

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You'd feel better if only you would see your new house! End the evening on a positive note--night all!
OK, I saw me and my house!

That's not this Charlie and it's for sure not my house.

My house is brick and much bigger than that one. lol

Here's Ol' Charlie, he likes to play tennis.


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oyster67

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Crazy? I thought the one I spun earlier was quite nice. Despite that, I caught nothing but a scrawny fly, which i picked the legs off of then wrapped it up for a snack later....;)
I knew the leg picking thing was going to come back to haunt us.

Just remember; a spider wit it's legs picked off can still spin! :geek:
 

Laura798

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I knew the leg picking thing was going to come back to haunt us.

Just remember; a spider wit it's legs picked off can still spin! :geek:
Not the way I have him wrapped up--he's as snug as a bug in a rug--even snugger.. Bwhahaha! :devilish:
 

iTheophilus

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You are mistaken, let's read it! Slooooowly.

2 Thes. 2:6-8

"And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
I have already shown you that the Church is raptured BEFORE the anti-christ is revealed!

What do I have to do for you to see that? Clearly the Church is taken out of the way before the anti-christ can be revealed.
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Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

- 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 (KJV)


Clearly, it is not the Church that is taken away, @Charlie24 . . .

The topic at hand is "the son of perdition," also known as Satan, the Antichrist, or whatever other name you want to give him. He is Satan, and Satan will carry out Daniel 9:27's "abomination of desolation," and the church will be present to witness it, because the "gathering," or Christ's return, will follow.

Iniquity is the "mystery of lawlessness." "He who now letteth will let," or "He who now holds firm (ketcho) will stand," in Greek. Instead of repeating the verb, "will let," use the ellipsis, which means "omission from an utterance of a phrase plainly suggested." Because "katecho" is a transitive verb, it requires an object. So, if Satan is the subject of verse six, the object must be his position in the heavenlies (see Ephesians 6:12), from which he shall be expelled by Michael (Revelation 12:7-9).

In Greek, "out of ek," or "the middle," means "out of the way." Acts 17:33 and I Corinthians 5:2 both use the same expression.

Many "rapture theorists" believe that the Holy Spirit is the one who "letth," and that when He is "taken away," the Antichrist will appear. You can create a whole new theology called the "Any moment doctrine" by reversing the roles of the actors in the passages and attributing what is Satan's to the Holy Spirit.

Michael is the one who "holds fast" to Lucifer (the Antichrist), and he will continue to do so until the allotted time. God has set aside that time. God will then give Satan the keys (power) to unleash his fallen angels and cast them to the earth at the specified moment (see Revelation 9:1-10).

Did you know there will be a war in heaven?
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. - Revelation 12:7-11 (KJV)

This is when Satan will physically appear on earth. This is the time of the Antichrist's coming (at the 6th Trump). The text then shifts to Satan standing in the holy place. Satan's goal is to deceive the entire world and have everyone accept his mark as their own. Don’t be deceived, Charlie.
 

Evmur

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And where does the Holy Spirit dwell?
It is improper language to speak about the Holy Spirit being taken out of the way.

The Holy Spirit does dwell in the believer but He is everywhere present and everywhere working in the world.

Paul speaks about that which prevents the mystery of iniquity and also he who prevents the mystery of iniquity. So to discover what or who it is preventing the mystery of iniquity we need to discuss what the mystery of iniquity is.

The mystery of iniquity is man's quest [by the working of Satan] for eternal life ... in sin and apart from God.

Man desperately desires to live forever, that is the driving force behind all science and all sin.

After man had partaken of the fruit of knowledge of good and evil and God chucked him out of the Garden God set a mighty cherub with a flaming sword which turned every which way to guard the tree of life, lest the man should stretch forth his hand and eat of it and so live forever in his sinful state.

Angels are the custodians of the law. The soul that sinneth it shall die.

IMO therefore he that withstandeth the mystery of iniquity is this mighty cherub Michael who also has the care of Israel who is taken out of the way in order that the man of sin should be revealed.
 
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I don't know about you, David, but I'm saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, period!

The order of resurrections as to whether I get them right or not, or anything else has nothing to do with my faith in Christ and being justified by that fact. I'm afraid you may have entered into the Laws of getting everything right to be saved. Dangerous place to be, my friend!
Just as you add to God's words you have done to mine.
You are in a dark place and in need of repentance.
That dark place is void of the fear of God when approaching His Word.

Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
 

Evmur

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how common ... we call it casserole
Some folks love to make prophecy stew, they take all the prophecies in the bible and chuck them all together with a few sprinklings of Paul and the little apocalypses of Jesus in one massive cauldron to cook it all up. They make all prophecies to apply to the end-times.
 
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So calling the Holy Spirit a "He" is the politically correct thing to do now? Whatever. :rolleyes:
The Church is necessarily a 'she' because She is the Bride.
You think the LORD Jesus Christ is political and can be swayed by pre-trib false doctrine???

The LORD Said:
I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.

The LORD said the HOLY SPIRIT is 'HE'.

The HOLY SPIRIT is reffered to as 'HE' 7 Times.
 

oyster67

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I have already shown you that the Church is raptured BEFORE the anti-christ is revealed!

What do I have to do for you to see that? Clearly the Church is taken out of the way before the anti-christ can be revealed.
Correct. :)(y)